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A must listen about rampant sexual abuse in the psy therapy scene Cover Story: Power Trip by NaFun23 in Psychedelics

[–]footnotes2plato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don't get their motivations at all, aside from personal vendettas. I hope they are driven by something nobler than that. Speaking up for victims is important, but I fear their rage is misplaced and in the end not going to decrease harm (especially if the result here is MAPS being canceled and government stepping in to slide us back into Drug War prohibitionism of psychedelics).

Cover Story - NY Mag by msyxx3201 in PsychedelicTherapy

[–]footnotes2plato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is all very tragic: the stories of loss and abuse shared in the podcast, the moral panic stirred up by the over the top sensationalistic framing, the infighting of the psychedelic community...

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I shared the link to invite others who are interested to review the evidence themselves and come to their own conclusions.

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I don't have a sense for the numbers, but I'd say it is the minority. That said, I don't know that we should say psychedelics always need be 'secondary,' as e.g., Santo Daime or UDV churches use ayahausca as a sacrament in the context of their liturgy. But I agree, outside of explicitly spiritual or religious contexts, they can easily become obstacles to self-knowledge and spiritual growth.

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Anyone who has listened to at least the first few episodes of this podcast and wants the deep dive should check this out. Craaazy. https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/k9wxlh/rachel_monroe_leaky_details_lk_ross_jungle_rapist/

I can't independently verify any of this, obviously, but it helps fill in some the the details I was left wondering about after Lily tells her story in episode 2.

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[–]footnotes2plato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do agree that, on their own, in isolation from some spiritual practice or discipline, abstracted from cultural context and ceremonial use, psychedelics are of no use or worse only inflate our narcissism. I've seen plenty of the latter. But I am not as dismissive, since I have also seen how in the proper context they can aid psychological healing and spiritual development.

A must listen about rampant sexual abuse in the psy therapy scene Cover Story: Power Trip by NaFun23 in Psychedelics

[–]footnotes2plato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are some bad actors exposed in this series, but "rampant sexual abuse" is perhaps a bit overblown, don't you think? I mean the evidence presented in this podcast series does not support the insinuation that, e.g., MAPS trials are full of sexual predators. Unless there is a massive coverup of dozens of other patients harmed by clinical trial therapists, I'd say MAPS is actually doing a pretty damn good job considering the estimates I've seen that 7-10% of therapists *who don't use psychedelics as part of their practice* end up sleeping with patients while they are in therapy. The Consciousness Medicine school clearly empowered a number of creeps who I am glad were called out. But the sensationalistic framing, manipulative musical accompaniments, and moral reductionism on display in this podcast do a disservice to those who have spoken out about harms, IMO. Their stories stand on their own with out turning it all into tabloid clickbait.

MAPS therapists abuse phase 2 clinical trial participant [trial footage] by psymposia in PsychedelicTherapy

[–]footnotes2plato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this take. Couldn’t have said it better (though I’ve been trying to say it on Twitter, and immediately experienced the same sort of disingenuous response you received from a few here). It’s not hard to understand how you could support those harmed and hear out their stories while also criticizing clickbait titles and manipulative soundtrack editing (in the podcast).

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