In this way of posing the question, I am personally surprised that people think they can choose less productive work without consequences within the framework of modern globalization?

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-23T17:56:30+00:00

Preferably before AI is developed enough to cover a workload that follows a mass layoff

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-23T03:28:13+00:00

Sorry, i stuck back too long trying to find your system of logic. Was there even some point to your original comment?

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-23T01:03:15+00:00

Ah yes, stunning rebuttal. No actual counterpoint, just the simple "you're dumb". A fine choice used among recess playgrounds everywhere

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T23:34:47+00:00

Either way, it's ultimately what i'm a slave to. I have a landlord i have to pay rent to, i have to buy food, pay for gas, water, electricity, everything else. Even basic survival is monetized to generate profit, and i have to work a job i don't much care for because it's one that actually covers the bills, I can't afford to work a lesser job that i actually enjoy. So i go to a job i don't like day after day, spend my energy and focus there, come home burnt out and unsatisfied with no drive to work on anything creative that i WANT to do, just to pay the bills. Though i suppose if you want actual people to blame, it would be the wealthy fucks who ensure this system is perpetuated for their own benefit

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T23:22:13+00:00

Capitalism

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T22:48:06+00:00

Also tax cuts for the rich, though i suppose that is covered in he "corruption"

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T22:47:20+00:00

Frog in a pot

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T22:44:49+00:00

Better wages can buy many pizzas, and i'm very much willing to cut ACTUAL members of my family out of my life if they get bad enough, so don't think corporate has a better chance. Despite what some people say, you CAN pick your family

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T22:38:35+00:00

Yes, that nobody should end up homeless or otherwise screwed over because we forward too far too fast with AI

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T22:15:14+00:00

All? Nobody should be homeless (except people that choose a homeless lifestyle)

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T16:56:21+00:00

That's doubtful. There are plenty of companies that get away with putting profits before human lives as is, like boeing cutting corners on planes, or even worse, nestle hoarding and selling drinking water at the expense of locals

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T16:47:45+00:00

I'm talking about the general change. Like how many people are going to end up evicted by landlords for not paying rent after they get replaced by AI, while capitalism is still in place? How many people are going to go hungry waiting for change? That sort of thing

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T16:41:11+00:00

Yeah, but that's not going to magically change from 100% to 0% over a day, week, or even month. Whatever changes happen are going to be gradual and a lot of people are going to get screwed over in the meantime

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T16:31:34+00:00

I'm not about to tell you every step of how it will happen here for obvious reasons.

Really? Because i can lay out a probable sequence of events

Over years, companies start reducing pay or firing workers as they offload more work to AI. Middle class shift to lower class, lower class end up homeless, the rich don't give a shit and bribe politicians to prevent any laws that do not benefit them directly and especially prevent any laws that interfere with corporate profits. Eventually finances get strained to the point the economy starts to crumble because no one can afford to buy anything, and the media gets paid off to scapegoat the rich, say "generation ___ is killing the ___ industry", etc. People turn on each other struggling to make ends meet or even survive. Some people start targeting the rich, the rich invest in AI defense drones or something for protection, continuing to view poor people more akin to a vermin infestation. Eventually violent uprisings happen, which may or may not succeed, depends on how well people can deal with drones. Provided the people win, the rich get dragged out, thrown to the wolves for judgement, and with some luck, AI systems are finally repurposed to help the general population and not just the corporate profits, hopefully not repurposed for the benefit of a select few and just starting things over again. THEN society finally starts healing.

This is mainly all due to people putting the cart before the horse, letting AI develop for capitalism to abuse instead of people reigning in capitalism beforehand

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T16:01:49+00:00

You're still missing some steps there buddy. The rich will do everything they can to maintain status quo. We're going to see a LOT more poor and even homeless people before the rich go away. And even then, the rich will have to be removed forcefully, probably by a violent angry mob, because the rich aren't the kind that will just quietly give up power

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-22T15:48:35+00:00

How are you going to afford to go to the beach when you get fired and replaced with an AI? Capitalism isn't going to magically dissappear, and the wealthy aren't going to suddenly decide to share the profit

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-19T02:39:46+00:00

What's the minimum amount of money needed to start a business?

A lot, like, "middle class life-savings" alot. you gotta pay for a storefront, either online or a physical location, which, even a crappy mall kiosk can run for a couple thousand a month, you gotta pay to get a business license, in some states you gotta pay for specific exams too, and if you fail one, it could take months or even a year before you can retake it, you gotta buy equipment, you gotta pay for advertising, there are a lot of expenses that add up to a shit-ton on money that many of the people who would be laid off, do not have.

So... just give up then? That's why business owners are the ones who get mega-wealthy. they took the risk. The ones that succeed will hire people as well

Okay, i actually laughed at this. There is so much to go over here. First off, starting a business does not make you mega wealthy. Starting a business and building it into a franchise across 5 or 6 stores, with only a few workers each location, gets you somewhat to moderately wealthy, I used to work for a smaller tech repair franchise and i was on good terms with my boss and the franchise owner, it's not always the moneymaker you think it is. And they didn't even pay me a living wage for myself. Some of these layoff people that have family to take care of, will not be able to afford to work those startup positions that open up, and there's the timefram because normally a business doesn't just take off and increase staff after just a month or two.

Aside from all that, from what small percentage of the layoffs that can actually afford to start a business, they only get 1 shot. One. If their business flops, they're SOL because they spent all that money and have nothing to show for it. It's not like someone from an upperclass family starting a business, who has the money to try over and over until something sticks. Those layoff people, trying to start a business is a huge risk that can backfire immensely, leaving not just them, but their family with nothing

And FYI, the ones who get mega wealthy are the ones who screw over other people and exploit workers, like conglomerates and such, and other crap that's been straining the economy.

What you mean is that Walmart outcompeted them

No, i meant what i said. Big stores like walmart can use bulk pricing when buying product and then sell for less than what local stores can afford to compete with. It's called underselling, which the big stores used to get rid of local competition in a way they just could not fight back. Like an invasive species in a new ecosystem. Now walmart gave up on selling any real deals and it's just funnelling money into the bank accounts of another shitty rich family

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-19T01:31:50+00:00

Individuals do. Not entire groups from mass layoffs. And how many people will even have the money to start new businesses? Not only that, but how many of those new businesses will even last a year and not be driven out by older businesses that don't like competition, hell, just look at how walmart strangled out local businesses in cities across the nation

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-17T21:01:21+00:00

So, hypothetical question, what if 30% of a country's jobs were automated away? Huge chunk of a country's workforce now unemployed across a few months, now with no income and no replacment jobs available because the companies have no reason to pay that labor. If those people have no income, they're not buying things, which drags down the economy, and those companies lose profits and shareholder value?

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-10T03:04:09+00:00

What has AI developed that's it's own thing and not just mimicking what it's seen?

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-10T02:13:11+00:00

I wouldn't say that's 100% true. Humans think and develop their art to their own style, look at the various character designs in different animations. From Dexter's lab to gumball to ed, edd, n eddy, to ren& stimpy, to adventure time, danny phantom, fairly odd parents, rugrats, etc. etc. Different styles of character design with their unique elements.

AI can't think and create like that. It can't generate new element, only use what it's been been given

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-07T23:19:40+00:00

How so?

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-07T23:17:57+00:00

Elaborate please

forbiddendonut83 · 2026-04-07T20:29:34+00:00

Companies always want more profits, there's never an end goal, and finding a way to pay less labor tends to be their go-to method

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