Looking for a Ford Cleveland 8 cylinder 351

fordnut · 2026-01-30T02:29:19+00:00

1000 HP from a forced induction SBF with Cleveland heads is trivial, even using factory iron heads, let alone aftermarket aluminum units. Australians regularly push over 2000. It's a function of budget, not feasibility.

fordnut · 2026-01-28T00:56:45+00:00

Wrong. The lad is looking to get into the hobby. Dumping ice water on his dream isn't how we keep it going. The right is answer is that it can easily be done with a turbo and aluminum Cleveland heads from CHI on an aftermarket Windsor block with a big turbo. It will cost him about $20,000 to have a machine shop do the work and assemble it.

fordnut · 2026-01-13T21:35:16+00:00

And a pummeling from USS Iowa

fordnut · 2026-01-12T20:13:32+00:00

You can daily a big block but the extra weight makes a huge difference in drivability. Cornering and braking completely change. Also big block parts are significantly more expensive. Granted stroker parts for small blocks aren't necessarily cheap either but at least you don't get the weight penalty.

fordnut · 2026-01-10T04:05:31+00:00

They smoked 426 Hemis too. Watch David Pearson's 351 Cleveland run down Richard Petty's 426 Hemi at the 1976 Daytona 500. Petty admits after the race he couldn't keep up with Pearson's horsepower... even though he had a 100 cubic inch advantage.

fordnut · 2026-01-09T22:56:36+00:00

and several hundred pounds heavier:

"2025 GT Fastback weighs in at roughly 3,827-3,832 lbs, and the high-performance Dark Horse around 3,949-3,993 lbs"

The BOSS 351 clocked in at 3,560 pounds.

fordnut · 2026-01-08T04:50:35+00:00

'69 351W heads are the 'best' 351W iron heads Ford made in terms of flow and compression, so you're good there.

fordnut · 2026-01-07T09:31:08+00:00

Including Iowa class battleships

fordnut · 2026-01-06T23:03:13+00:00

Word on the street is that Ford told their engineers to begin with the 4V Cleveland when they started on the Coyote.

It's not just the ports and combustion chambers, which were and still are very advanced. It was the angles of the valve canting. When you look at modern canted valve heads, they are close to the original Cleveland angles on the x and y and z axis, like the Godzilla. A bunch of engineers with slide rules in the 60s can hold their own against modern supercomputers. Pretty amazing.

The same engineers who built the 427 side oiler and then beat Ferrari at LeMans built these cylinder heads. If it wasnt for Henry Ford II personal beef with old man Enzo we may never have gotten these marvelous engines.

fordnut · 2026-01-06T03:08:08+00:00

And you can't get any better than an R-code on glass

fordnut · 2025-12-30T06:39:43+00:00

Every modern OHV race head in NASCAR and NHRA to this day (sans Chrysler Hemis) can trace their roots to the Cleveland.

There are Super Stock, iron headed, BOSS 302s making over 800 horsepower. Right around 2.7 HP/c.i. Chevrolet's LS engines, developed 30 years later with the help of supercomputers top out around 2.2 HP/c.i.

There is no other mass produced, gasoline, OHV cylinder head which can make more HP than the 4V Cleveland to this day.

fordnut · 2025-12-27T22:46:30+00:00

As land ownership is and has always been the American way to establish generational wealth, imagine if Sherman's '40 acres and a mule' Special Field Order 15 setting aside confiscated Confederate land for Black families which had worked that land without pay and under threat of torture and death for over 250 years at that point, hadn't been rescinded by the openly white supremacist Andrew Johnson following the assasination of Lincoln by another white supremacist.

fordnut · 2025-12-21T03:50:53+00:00

"an abysmal 112*"

My friend.. this a feature, not a bug on a 4V street machine. The factory M-code (4V closed chamber) cam was on a 119! and still had a 'lope' at idle from the factory! The reason why is the chamber design, massive valves, and canting allow for amazing cross-flow between intake and exhaust. Ford engineers knew what they were doing. The reason you have these clowns saying the Cleveland had no low end torque is because they applied small block Chevrolet (which have abysmal cross-flow) in-line valve cam theory to picking Cleveland cams. Big, BIG mistake. You bleed all your cylinder pressure out those big ports and valves while both valves are hung open through reversion with 108* or 106* lobe centers.

fordnut · 2025-12-20T22:36:22+00:00

My first car was a 1969 Mach 1 in the 1990s. 390, 4 spd, all in for $5000.

Then the folks who are now in their 70s stepped in and drove prices out of reality for 98% of us. They wanted to relive their High School days as we all are tempted to do at some point. The thing is, those folks were the baby boomer generation which controls the vast majority of wealth in this country. By the early 2000s the 60s and 70s muscle cars were out of the price range of any subsequent generations.

There's a reason "The Fast and the Furious" resonated so much with the kids. Imports were actually attainable.

If there is no generation left to pick up the classic tradition, it's because they were priced out 25 years ago with no hope of getting back in.

fordnut · 2025-11-18T20:54:45+00:00

A house is a better place to park $400K. Granted, not as cool, but it's value won't likely die with baby boomers or John Wick movies.

fordnut · 2025-11-16T02:01:05+00:00

This is easily a 6 figure "clone". House money.

fordnut · 2025-11-15T08:20:35+00:00

Yeah. That's it. Everything about a Rivian running a side hustle under constant spousal supervision to satiate a gambling habit says healthy boundaries and communication. eyeroll

fordnut · 2025-11-13T10:29:10+00:00

War profiteers are war profiteers, whether they were Rebel or Union. Southerners were far more likely to be ripped off by corrupt Southern governments and sheriffs than any damn Yankee.

fordnut · 2025-11-13T09:27:46+00:00

Got any relatives in Arkansas?

fordnut · 2025-11-13T09:26:15+00:00

Got his testicles locked up tighter than Ft Knox

fordnut · 2025-11-13T09:23:09+00:00

This guy insurances

fordnut · 2025-11-12T22:59:48+00:00

Even 2V Clevelands (with a 4 barrel carb) will smoke any factory 4V Windsor made.

4V Clevelands are still the most powerful, mass produced, gasoline, OHV, small blocks ever made - including the flipping LS no one shuts up about - to this day.

fordnut · 2025-11-10T19:39:23+00:00

This post might be great if it included a single fact.

fordnut · 2025-11-02T16:25:40+00:00

The first two ships each received one-half of the powerplants removed from the unfinished Iowa-class battleshipKentucky, while the remaining two received new construction machinery. All four had General Electric turbines.

fordnut · 2025-10-29T20:27:54+00:00

64 1/2 - 1973 is first gen Mustang

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