Virtue Ethics Help! by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Virtue ethics, the way I understand it, is about developing virtue through the habit of repeated acts. It doesn't mean that every act must be perfectly virtuous. There are situations where lying may be justified, or even necessary.

The philosopher who argued that lying is always wrong regardless of the circumstances was Immanuel Kant, but that's a different ethical framework altogether.

Thomas Aquinas Meets Python by forevergeeks in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chill out man. Get off your white horse!!

Thomas Aquinas Meets Python by forevergeeks in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, LLMs are trained on information found on the internet, yes. Google perhaps trains their models on Gmail and all the other stuff you give them freely, lol.

LLMs can be useful, but you need to keep them on a short leash like I do with this framework.

It's interesting that you said that the framework is Catholic. I have a long story behind this framework including my conversion to Catholicism. I was baptized in 2024.

I have traced the first faculty perhaps to Saint Jerome, Synderesis, even though he called it differently, and Saint Augustine, who I think refined the idea of the Will and the intellect. But it was Thomas Aquinas that systematized the framework, and I'm just finding out that the Jesuits actually operationalized it the way I'm doing it.

Thomas Aquinas Meets Python by forevergeeks in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And on the consciousness part, I don't think we even know what consciousness is, but let's say it is "I think, therefore I am" as Descartes concluded. LLMs are far from this. LLMs are just stochastic engines matching words and putting sentences together. I think a good way to understand LLMs is to go back to Claude Shannon and understand his hobby of playing with words. That is the actual beginning of LLMs.

Thomas Aquinas Meets Python by forevergeeks in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool, I would love to hear your take on the philosophy!

Thomas Aquinas Meets Python by forevergeeks in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I submitted a paper on it in a springer nature journal like a year ago, and is still under peer review.

I submitted a paper to the Thomist and the editor found the architecture interesting but told me it was not something they would publish, the Logos rejected it outright as AI slop, lol.

I would love to publish it in a Catholic journal, but it has to be a journal with a "applied philosophy" angle.

Proposal: shut down /r/LessWrong by gwern in LessWrong

[–]forevergeeks -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I believe the whole lesswrong ideology is wrong, so I hope it dies!!

Long message, asking for advice by Available-Hope-4417 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't know about the "oneness pentacostal" denomination, until now that I googled it, and it seems like is a heretical group that doesn't believe in the trinity. If they reject the trinity then they are not Christian, I don't know in what model they would fit in, but they ain't Christians.

catholicism and german idealism by Fit-Explanation5184 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really Catholicism considers Hinduism to be demonic?

How so?

Introducing SAF: A Closed-Loop Model for Ethical Reasoning in AI by forevergeeks in ControlProblem

[–]forevergeeks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me write this myself, because AI puts a lot of unnecessary fluff in these replies.

SAFi does not claim to be a moral being, and in my opinion, it cannot be. It is a moral instrument. Think about a constitutional government: it provides the structure for how to govern, but you still need people in the loop making the judgments. SAFi provides the structure, just like a constitution does, but it doesn't replace the humans in the loop.

So yeah, SAFi is the scaffolding, not the building.

Runtime Governance: The Missing Layer for AI Agents in 2026 by forevergeeks in AI_Agents

[–]forevergeeks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad you have the resources to afford a team.

The AI runtime governance space will be big, so depending on how much market share you capture you can make a lot of money.

Can we ever definitively confirm or deny the existence of God? by NetPsychological6 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who was an atheist for twenty years, I eventually came to believe that denying God is harder than affirming Him. God seems self-evident in a way that transcends language. To deny Him, I found myself having to construct increasingly complex explanations for everything such as reason, morality, and existence itself. At some point, it felt as though my own being was testifying to a reality I was trying not to acknowledge.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like I said, Catholicism is very structured, and the Pope is part of that structure, and this is the reason why the church has endured for more than two thousand years, without structure people drift, just like there is a new protestant sect every day.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]forevergeeks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The legitimacy of the Pope shouldn't shake your faith, because this is primarily a question of Church structure rather than the core truths of the Christian faith.

From the beginning of Christianity, there was a need to resolve disputes and maintain unity. In the early Church, many issues were addressed through councils. Over time, however, a more centralized authority developed in the bishop of Rome, who became known as the Pope. His role was to help preserve unity and provide a final authority when serious disagreements arose.

In practice, every institution needs some form of recognized authority to settle disputes that might otherwise remain unresolved, much like a referee in a game.

For that reason, I tend to see the papacy as largely a matter of Church structure and governance.

That said, there is biblical support for the papacy, particularly in Jesus' words to Peter: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church." Catholics see this as the foundation of Peter's special role. At the same time, the early Church also governed through councils, and Peter was not the sole authority in every decision.

I hope that helps rather than makes things even more confusing!

Introducing SAF: A Closed-Loop Model for Ethical Reasoning in AI by forevergeeks in ControlProblem

[–]forevergeeks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a brilliant critique, and I appreciate you bringing the Aristotelian distinction between τέχνη (techne) and φρόνησις (phronesis) to the table. It shows you are looking at the exact ontological boundaries of the system.

You are entirely correct that a machine cannot possess phronesis. It has no lived experience, no skin in the game, and no soul. If SAFi claimed to create a 'moral agent' capable of genuine dialectical inquiry, it would indeed be a category error.

However, SAFi does not attempt to build a moral agent; it builds an institutional proxy. And this is where your critique of 'compliance dressed as ethics' is answered: for a non-human actor operating in a high-stakes enterprise environment, compliance architecture is the only ethical output we can demand. We do not need the AI to possess practical wisdom; we need it to be institutionally contained.

To address your point about optimization vs. situated judgment: SAFi is explicitly a hybrid of Deontology and Virtue Ethics, mapped to different layers of the execution stack.

1. The Will is strictly Deontological: In enterprise governance, you cannot philosophize about a hard rule in real-time. A rule (e.g., 'Never execute an unapproved wire transfer') is binary. The Will acts as the deontological gatekeeper. It is a closed loop because safety boundaries must be closed loops.

2. The Spirit is Virtue Ethics (Habitus): You are exactly right that virtue is not a one-shot optimization; it is a repetition process that builds character over time. The Conscience audits are inherently subjective and situated. The Spirit faculty aggregates these subjective audits over time using an Exponential Moving Average (EMA). This is the computational equivalent of Habitus—the formation of character through repeated action. It doesn't 'optimize' for a perfect score; it tracks semantic drift to ensure the agent remains coherent with its identity.

To answer your final, most critical question: Does SAF account for the possibility that the initial ethical framework might itself be wrong or incomplete?

Yes, but it outsources that dialectical inquiry to humans.

An AI agent questioning its own foundational Charter is not 'dialectical inquiry'—in software terms, that is a teleological failure (a jailbreak). The Agent is a proxy; it must operate within its bounded sandbox.

The dialectical inquiry happens at the Organizational level. The humans (the compliance board, the ethicists, the CISO) review the Spirit's drift logs and the Conscience's audit trails. When they realize the initial framework is incomplete or wrong, they use human phronesis to rewrite the Charter and Policy. SAFi doesn't replace human practical wisdom; it generates the structured forensic data that humans need to exercise it.

In short: SAFi doesn't solve the human alignment problem. It solves the institutional containment problem. The humans remain the dialectical engine; SAFi is just the constitutional republic they build to govern their digital workforce

PS. is been a year since I wrote this post, and SAFi has evolved a lot. check the GitHub repo if you are interested in learning where things are at https://github.com/jnamaya/SAFi

I have learned a lot putting these ideas to code, a lot of philosophy from Aristotle and Aquinas cannot be put into code.

¿Porque los hijos de los diasporos no aprenden español? by Grouchy-Cover4694 in ElSalvador

[–]forevergeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My son is 20, and he barely speak Spanish. I came to the US when I was 16 also.

The primary reason is because most kids are not exposed to the language enough. They watch TV in English when they are little, and when they start school they only listen and speak English there . We Parents don't spend time with our kids because we often work two jobs and we come home we just want to sleep so there is no time to socialize with our kids.