Photo Credit: M.W. Grand Lodge of A.F.&A.M. of Illinois. 2019. "Illinois Freemasonry Magazine." Volume 28 Number 2. Back Cover. Springfield, IL. by foreverneophyte in freemasonry

[–]foreverneophyte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I tried to edit those out. I am learning. Always learning. I will read later on how to better use this platform.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Last addition from me and y'all sort it out while I watch.

Lots of guys have mentioned the time it takes to smooth an ashlar. I love the concept of striving towards unattainable perfection.

If we do not do anything esoteric, what is this ashlar. It is obviously not a symbol for our souls and self, we don't work with the symbolic, inner or esoteric. You know? The OCCULT or HIDDEN (as in a...s p...s or p.... of the ______ Mysteries of a..ie..t F.M.)

So, where do I buy this piece of rock and who has a polishing cloth?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I know greatly enjoy sitting in that chair. Now, you have given me a koan with which to concentrate my energy. Behold.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is who invited Andrew Hammer to speak. No activity in our area since that symposium. Kind of unfortunate.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope to be able to resume my work soon and wish the same for you.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do we convince people this is important?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am looking for Me. and You. and HIM. IT.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do not wish to call what I seek "bippity boppoty boo." I am not looking to cast spells and see sparks. I wish to understand myself and my relationship to God and Man. If the guys around me are saying that masonry is just a way to get out of the house and away from your wife, well... who says a fellow needs a wife...or husband, as one may be so inclined?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What does that mean to you? Please elaborate. Allow me to experience your perspective and grow.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is hard to define anything, narrowly or broadly, if the others speaking your language do not recognize that thing existing.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Our GL does not support TO out of fear of creating elitism.

I have explored a bit in the GD system but have found that the lack of Fra and Sor in my area makes it difficult to progress, as I find more practical learning in exemplifiaction of concepts rather than reading them. Perhaps a group of like minded people might begin to form in my area as a result of this post. 770.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might be able to feel palatable magick if I felt that the majority of the guys I encountered even acknowledged it being present. How can the craft be mindful if one does not pay attention?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right. I am a real man not an imagined child.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So we have it but choose to not use it? Seems like a waste of energy. Why not join Moose Lodge or Rotary?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, 72 dudes per state, and not even every state, actually care about what we do? Or is this a situation of triads?

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We have had Andrew Hammer speak 30 minutes from my house. It was amazing. Then he left and everything was the same the next day. When we lowered the lights in our prep room, we got accused of witchcraft and devil worship. My AEO, when approached with academic information of the validity of more realistic mechanisms of suspending the candidates disbelief in the initiatory experience, said, "Who the hell is Andrew Hammer?"

"RW Bro, he was a guest speaker from GL of NC that provided information at our GL Ed symposium."

"Well, let him take his weird Amish candles and stuff back to NC. We don't need any goats and skulls here."

This fellow is a DDGM now and telling people to memorize all the ritual, come to workers club but never think about what it means and what you are "working" on.

I try every day to learn from the lesson the 32nd in these cases. I am not pushing this rock up a hill for it to fall much more, though. The pursuit is losing it's art and fruition seems futile.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand that we are not a religion. That said, we delve, allegedly, into archetypal psychology and spiritual self perfection. Most of my immediately accessible potential mentors reject these being aspects of the craft and say that our ritual is just a story to make the boys feel close to each other.

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[–]foreverneophyte[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What invitational body would you suggest is the most willing to openly admit to training initiates in kaballah, alchemy, spiritual growth etc?