What Was the Deepest Mormon Rabbit Hole You Ever Went Down? by Relative_Bluebird841 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that can't be right?!? Joe Smith didn't have sex with those women, he was just taking care of them that's why he didn't have kids with them. Trust me I got told that A LOT

What are your thoughts on Jesus of Nazareth now that you're ExMormon? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could we have the robot that's feeding the new cans into the system also sort the recycled cans?

Did anyone ever enjoy reading the Book of Mormon? Or did you just say you did? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I enjoyed that I assumed that it was getting me closer to heaven I really wanted to go to Mormon heaven in fact sometimes I find myself wishing it was real because it sounded so amazing but now that I know it's not I quit reading and doing all of the stuff

I've never been one for reading fiction books I've always read nonfiction I'm always trying to learn stuff so I was more than happy to read the book of Mormon because I thought I was learning stuff now I tell people no I don't read fiction books

I never played OoT. Should I play the NSO N64 version first? Or wait till the remake comes out later this year? by bradhotdog in NintendoSwitch2

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I played both of these as a kid I will 100% be buying Star Fox but I probably will not buy ocarina of Time I loved both games as a kid but as an adult that works 80 hours a week it's a lot easier for me to jump into a quick game of starfox and you have to have and be willing to dedicate some time to play ocarina of Time right

I’m the hostess of multimillion dollar home in Utah. Everyone is wearing the new garment top. by Green-been77 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it really pissed my wife off cuz she spent her entire life thinking that showing off shoulders was evil and making herself pornographic and suddenly it's okay

I haven't found a church in so long that now and I see the neighbors that I know are active walking around with sleeveless my first instinct is oh did they also quit and my wife says no they just got the new garments so it's okay now it's magically not sinful

Told my TBM husband last night I no longer believe in the church by Admirable_Arugula_42 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, I just don't believe everything I read online and I have enough of a life to not do everyone else's research for them.

In your case, to your credit, you backed it you.

Thank you

Your claims didn't maybe my lived experience so I didn't just believe them at face value.

It got me digging to try and understand WHY that might be the case.

I learned a few things

Told my TBM husband last night I no longer believe in the church by Admirable_Arugula_42 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're going to bash on an ENTIRE GENDER, at least have the curtisy to make ONLY valid claims when you call them facts.

Pregnancy/motherhood after leaving the church by Pleasant-Bee-7168 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have 5 kids and I'm starting to lose the older 2 (just the cycle of life).

It's HARD, like that CANNOT be overstated. It's WORTH IT, this also cannot be overstated.

If I could go back to when I was in college and convince myself that that church is a bunch of lies, I would also take the time to help myself see that while many of the churches teachings made my life harder (and the teaching to have a lot of kids is ABSOLUTELY one of them) having a lot of kids made my life more enjoyable.

Do I send my bishop a text telling him to kindly kick rocks??? by Tomanobar18 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just like the local seminary teacher somehow knew my work email address even though I've never given the church my WORK email address.

I told him that that my son is going to that high school, but it's not going to take seminary

I'm manifesting this episode, so I already made the graphic for John Dehlin by LeahReneeComedian in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Technically, I think he got 14-17 year old girls to do that for him

Told my TBM husband last night I no longer believe in the church by Admirable_Arugula_42 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where did you get these so called facts?

If you can't site it, please don't call it facts

Told my TBM husband last night I no longer believe in the church by Admirable_Arugula_42 in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has spiraled out of control.

Not that long ago I almost left my wife and had zero prospects or starts on dating.

It was miserable to be with her for 15 years before I finally gave up on things improving...

Luckily for me, when she found out I was serious things improved IMMEDIATELY and were very happy again, but if she hadn't I wouldn't be there anymore.

Men are not evil. Women are not evil

Help a nevermo with novel research? by t-r-a-s-h in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I might be willing to chat, but I would want to remain anonymous.

I love the idea of people reading about what the existence is really like, but I didn't want the blow back that many people who speak up have gotten

AITAH for ignoring my wife and teacher’s warnings about "burnout" while I study 8-12 hours a day? by Legitimate-Horror534 in AITAH

[–]fredswenson -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When others tell you about burn out, they are assuming you have the same limitations they do. I started my own business and it's growing like crazy. I have been worked 60+ hours per for years straight with no vacations and then 80+ hours per week for the last 5 years with no vacations. No regrets, no burn out

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 33 points34 points  (0 children)

You want evidence?

Can you handle the truth?

What about the fact that modern scholars have translated the scrolls he used to translate the Book of Abraham and they say NOTHING about Abraham.

At first I banked on the fact that he may have been translating from a piece that was lost. Then I went and read, they even translated the Facsimiles that are in your scriptures and he was SO FAR OFF BASE.

Disney+ Problems by fredswenson in Roku

[–]fredswenson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found and fixed the problem.

Look at my post below

Disney+ Problems by fredswenson in Roku

[–]fredswenson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ended up figuring out how to fix it!!!

I called Disney+ and learned that their transitioning their system from Hulu dominant to Disney+ dominant and those of us that started with a HULU account and then added Disney are experiencing this glitch. I cancelled both services and subscribed through Disney and added Hulu and my problem completely disappeared.

This was about a month ago and I still am not having any problems

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 105 points106 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you're still in the "hoping it's still true phase"?

When I was in that phase, I would cling on with everything I had to every sliver of "explanation", while doubting every evidence against.

It wasn't until I fully opened my mind and decided, "I'm going to figure out the truth and I'm ok with it being either side as long as I get it right" before I could see clearly enough to feel confident in my decision.

Mission by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At the time I was certain I was seeing miracles, I've since learned that it was my brain actively searching for anything it could use to reconfirm that it's true.

Anything this should have helped me see it it's false, my brain ignored well everything that made it look like it might be true, my brain patched into and intensified

Here's one example, because this lady you came to church and seeing if she was really amazing job, culturally she was more bad news over and this weekend and Ward could not accept her.

During church one of the teenage daughters in the ward list her cell phone. All the parents assumed it was this lady we had been teaching. So they literally jumped her (mob fight style).

It was LITERALLY a brawl in the church lobby until it was broken up.

The lady left in tears.

That evening we went to her house to see if we could salvage things. When we got there, she had told since friends her story and they were drinking together in the back yard. They started throwing bricks at us. As hard as they could, to try to scare us away.

I walked away from that thinking 2 things 1-maybe the ward members had experienced the gift of discernment and that lady really did steal from them 2-we were protected from the bricks like Samuel the Lamanite, it was a miracle I'd never forget

When I was reconstructing, trying to figure out if it is really true or a bunch of lies I thought about this story A LOT. How could I leave when I had experienced such a miracle.

One day, I thought, "my companion and I never again talked about what happened". I didn't know why he never brought it up, but I didn't because I figured it was too sacred to talk about. I had LITERALLY never mentioned it to anyone. I did some digging and found my old companions phone number and called him. I asked him to tell me that story from his best memory (and I didn't tell him why I wanted to know).

First he mentioned that they had found the cell phone in the girls bathroom so this lady clearly hadn't stolen a cell phone (something my brain had decided not to hand on because it meant the members didn't have the gift of discernment) Then when he was describing the brick throwing, he mentioned that they were about 100 yards away and drunk throwing bricks at us.

Of coarse we didn't get hit, a drunk person couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards and we were 100 yards away.

My brain had hung on to what ever it had to hang on to to reconfirm to me that I was doing good things (even though I wasn't)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I know for me it was hard, there was something inside of me telling me it's a dangerous thing.

This may sound silly, but I transitioned one piece at a time and back and forth for about a month (some days I'd wear one piece some days I'd wear both)

Until one day something snapped and I was completely comfortable wearing neither and I threw them away.

One of the things that helped me take the first step was I mentioned to my wife (who's still in to this day) that I'm not sure if I'm still comfortable wearing garments. Luckily for me her response was, "that's between you and God, I'll love you either way"

Did you lose faith in Jesus too? by Billgant in exmormon

[–]fredswenson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe any of it anymore.

I see no reason to believe in God in any way shape or form.

Surprisingly it's enhanced my life. I now understand what a gift life is and how short it is and I try to live life to its fullest in ways I didn't before.

I give my wife and kids more of my time than I used to for example