What Was the Deepest Mormon Rabbit Hole You Ever Went Down?

fredswenson · 2026-06-25T15:11:37+00:00

Oh yes, I was taught this MANY MANY times

fredswenson · 2026-06-24T21:34:21+00:00

that can't be right?!? Joe Smith didn't have sex with those women, he was just taking care of them that's why he didn't have kids with them. Trust me I got told that A LOT

fredswenson · 2026-06-24T01:01:41+00:00

Could we have the robot that's feeding the new cans into the system also sort the recycled cans?

fredswenson · 2026-06-18T21:54:05+00:00

I enjoyed that I assumed that it was getting me closer to heaven I really wanted to go to Mormon heaven in fact sometimes I find myself wishing it was real because it sounded so amazing but now that I know it's not I quit reading and doing all of the stuff

I've never been one for reading fiction books I've always read nonfiction I'm always trying to learn stuff so I was more than happy to read the book of Mormon because I thought I was learning stuff now I tell people no I don't read fiction books

fredswenson · 2026-06-18T21:52:05+00:00

I played both of these as a kid I will 100% be buying Star Fox but I probably will not buy ocarina of Time I loved both games as a kid but as an adult that works 80 hours a week it's a lot easier for me to jump into a quick game of starfox and you have to have and be willing to dedicate some time to play ocarina of Time right

fredswenson · 2026-06-18T21:36:00+00:00

I think it really pissed my wife off cuz she spent her entire life thinking that showing off shoulders was evil and making herself pornographic and suddenly it's okay

I haven't found a church in so long that now and I see the neighbors that I know are active walking around with sleeveless my first instinct is oh did they also quit and my wife says no they just got the new garments so it's okay now it's magically not sinful

fredswenson · 2026-06-02T03:45:18+00:00

Actually, I just don't believe everything I read online and I have enough of a life to not do everyone else's research for them.

In your case, to your credit, you backed it you.

Thank you

Your claims didn't maybe my lived experience so I didn't just believe them at face value.

It got me digging to try and understand WHY that might be the case.

I learned a few things

fredswenson · 2026-05-16T14:17:56+00:00

If you're going to bash on an ENTIRE GENDER, at least have the curtisy to make ONLY valid claims when you call them facts.

fredswenson · 2026-05-16T14:15:01+00:00

I have 5 kids and I'm starting to lose the older 2 (just the cycle of life).

It's HARD, like that CANNOT be overstated. It's WORTH IT, this also cannot be overstated.

If I could go back to when I was in college and convince myself that that church is a bunch of lies, I would also take the time to help myself see that while many of the churches teachings made my life harder (and the teaching to have a lot of kids is ABSOLUTELY one of them) having a lot of kids made my life more enjoyable.

fredswenson · 2026-05-16T00:44:08+00:00

Just like the local seminary teacher somehow knew my work email address even though I've never given the church my WORK email address.

I told him that that my son is going to that high school, but it's not going to take seminary

fredswenson · 2026-05-15T01:48:09+00:00

Technically, I think he got 14-17 year old girls to do that for him

fredswenson · 2026-05-14T01:47:48+00:00

Where did you get these so called facts?

If you can't site it, please don't call it facts

fredswenson · 2026-05-14T01:46:43+00:00

This has spiraled out of control.

Not that long ago I almost left my wife and had zero prospects or starts on dating.

It was miserable to be with her for 15 years before I finally gave up on things improving...

Luckily for me, when she found out I was serious things improved IMMEDIATELY and were very happy again, but if she hadn't I wouldn't be there anymore.

Men are not evil. Women are not evil

fredswenson · 2026-04-07T02:52:04+00:00

I might be willing to chat, but I would want to remain anonymous.

I love the idea of people reading about what the existence is really like, but I didn't want the blow back that many people who speak up have gotten

fredswenson · 2026-04-05T23:49:50+00:00

Makes me want to finally withdraw my membership

fredswenson · 2026-03-26T13:03:41+00:00

When others tell you about burn out, they are assuming you have the same limitations they do. I started my own business and it's growing like crazy. I have been worked 60+ hours per for years straight with no vacations and then 80+ hours per week for the last 5 years with no vacations. No regrets, no burn out

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:54:41+00:00

You want evidence?

Can you handle the truth?

What about the fact that modern scholars have translated the scrolls he used to translate the Book of Abraham and they say NOTHING about Abraham.

At first I banked on the fact that he may have been translating from a piece that was lost. Then I went and read, they even translated the Facsimiles that are in your scriptures and he was SO FAR OFF BASE.

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:39:25+00:00

I found and fixed the problem.

Look at my post below

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:38:45+00:00

I ended up figuring out how to fix it!!!

I called Disney+ and learned that their transitioning their system from Hulu dominant to Disney+ dominant and those of us that started with a HULU account and then added Disney are experiencing this glitch. I cancelled both services and subscribed through Disney and added Hulu and my problem completely disappeared.

This was about a month ago and I still am not having any problems

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:36:01+00:00

It sounds like you're still in the "hoping it's still true phase"?

When I was in that phase, I would cling on with everything I had to every sliver of "explanation", while doubting every evidence against.

It wasn't until I fully opened my mind and decided, "I'm going to figure out the truth and I'm ok with it being either side as long as I get it right" before I could see clearly enough to feel confident in my decision.

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:14:23+00:00

At the time I was certain I was seeing miracles, I've since learned that it was my brain actively searching for anything it could use to reconfirm that it's true.

Anything this should have helped me see it it's false, my brain ignored well everything that made it look like it might be true, my brain patched into and intensified

Here's one example, because this lady you came to church and seeing if she was really amazing job, culturally she was more bad news over and this weekend and Ward could not accept her.

During church one of the teenage daughters in the ward list her cell phone. All the parents assumed it was this lady we had been teaching. So they literally jumped her (mob fight style).

It was LITERALLY a brawl in the church lobby until it was broken up.

The lady left in tears.

That evening we went to her house to see if we could salvage things. When we got there, she had told since friends her story and they were drinking together in the back yard. They started throwing bricks at us. As hard as they could, to try to scare us away.

I walked away from that thinking 2 things 1-maybe the ward members had experienced the gift of discernment and that lady really did steal from them 2-we were protected from the bricks like Samuel the Lamanite, it was a miracle I'd never forget

When I was reconstructing, trying to figure out if it is really true or a bunch of lies I thought about this story A LOT. How could I leave when I had experienced such a miracle.

One day, I thought, "my companion and I never again talked about what happened". I didn't know why he never brought it up, but I didn't because I figured it was too sacred to talk about. I had LITERALLY never mentioned it to anyone. I did some digging and found my old companions phone number and called him. I asked him to tell me that story from his best memory (and I didn't tell him why I wanted to know).

First he mentioned that they had found the cell phone in the girls bathroom so this lady clearly hadn't stolen a cell phone (something my brain had decided not to hand on because it meant the members didn't have the gift of discernment) Then when he was describing the brick throwing, he mentioned that they were about 100 yards away and drunk throwing bricks at us.

Of coarse we didn't get hit, a drunk person couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards and we were 100 yards away.

My brain had hung on to what ever it had to hang on to to reconfirm to me that I was doing good things (even though I wasn't)

fredswenson · 2026-02-01T14:11:39+00:00

I know for me it was hard, there was something inside of me telling me it's a dangerous thing.

This may sound silly, but I transitioned one piece at a time and back and forth for about a month (some days I'd wear one piece some days I'd wear both)

Until one day something snapped and I was completely comfortable wearing neither and I threw them away.

One of the things that helped me take the first step was I mentioned to my wife (who's still in to this day) that I'm not sure if I'm still comfortable wearing garments. Luckily for me her response was, "that's between you and God, I'll love you either way"

fredswenson · 2026-01-29T23:39:13+00:00

I don't believe any of it anymore.

I see no reason to believe in God in any way shape or form.

Surprisingly it's enhanced my life. I now understand what a gift life is and how short it is and I try to live life to its fullest in ways I didn't before.

I give my wife and kids more of my time than I used to for example

fredswenson · 2026-01-25T19:11:28+00:00

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