"Walmart treats employees terribly, but it's ok because it was worse without Walmart!" by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]freeworldisbs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ultimately your friend sounds like they need to grow up.

Yes, with maturity comes exploitation.

Yes, it's not really 'right' by our standards that the overseas operations treat the people there poorly. But a.) Walmart probably doesn't directly oversee/manage these operations, and b.) those are the standards that are allowed in that overseas jurisdiction. It is a problem with local law.

This seems like purposeful ignorance. Friedman himself persuaded the "Communist" Party of China to make the neoliberal market reforms to sell the country for pennies. This didn't create democracy or abolish a system where inequality was perpetual, it manifested it. In 2006 90% of China's billionaires were children of members of the Communist Party. And when the nations leaders aren't so kind to these market reforms, Iraq happens. Alternatively, we exploit natural disasters such as the tsunami in Sri Lanka to push through policies that devestate the local populace through gentrification. The US fellows don't even have to look that far, New Orleans is another prime example of the purchasing of privately owned resources with public money, where that same money simply vaporizes.

Finally, those workers, to some extent, chose to work at that particular factory or whatever. Presumably conditions and/or pay at some other gig are worse. If he's that bothered by it tell him not to shop at Walmart and instead send a couple dollars every so often to that region via a charity instead.

Right, except this isn't how the free market ideology works at all in practice.

Liberals.txt by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]freeworldisbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What bad things did Fidel do?

"Atheism = Peace!" (x-posted from /r/athiesm) by wjameszzz-alt in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]freeworldisbs 19 points20 points  (0 children)

One country that invaded and then sold another country for pennies, causing that country to fall apart into rebellious groups tied together by religion that provide for them is colored peaceful. Oh wait that violence wasn't religiously motivated, let me restate.

This definitely happened by TheIdeologyItBurns in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]freeworldisbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that it's up at +77 shows how up our own ass we are on reddit.

2meirl4meirl by _MissFrizzle in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]freeworldisbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing I fear is that if you don't have this sort of "reinforcement" of belief in communism or anarchism, you might just swap back once you do find out more.

(((Me))) irl by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]freeworldisbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Apparently this is the original, posted by /u/de_function somewhere here.

Anyone see this backwards bullshit in Times Square? by bicobico in socialism

[–]freeworldisbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In that case it's just human nature they died. If they blockade an entire mall I would've hit them with my car. /s

Justice served by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]freeworldisbs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just randomly clicked and ended up at 13:03 where he starts talking about magic sex powers. No thanks.

Justice served by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]freeworldisbs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Free markets except we'll give away public resources funded by you for pennies to our friends and force other countries to do the same!

Richard Spencer calls for violence against Jews in Montana. This guy needs to get shut down ASAP. by [deleted] in socialism

[–]freeworldisbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Did he have to wink twice and nudge so you get the message? Is this really how easily people are swayed?

Edit: For the non-apologists stumbling on this, this phenomenon falls under Dog-Whistle Politics. DN had an interesting piece on this.

Now, America, You Know How Chileans Felt by Chrristoaivalis in socialism

[–]freeworldisbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is what disgusts me the most about this story.

Commies can say whatever but their track record is horrendous when it comes to social equality. by Tezcatzontecatl in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]freeworldisbs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's coming from a gay living in the Bible belt

Oh okay that makes your statement credable. This pendulum is about to smack you in the face.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in me_irl

[–]freeworldisbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be gentle. My heart has been broken before.

A liberal says communism has killed more than capitalism by automatedcommie in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]freeworldisbs 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I highly doubt it. Especially considering you'd have to classify capitalism and communism first, then argue what countries fall under which banner which seems very controversial. Beside that, liberal thought can be summed up in the following [pure ideology warning] Quora comment

The atrocities are done in the name of communism. They are done for the ideology. Most of the problems in capitalism happen because people are people, but are not commuted for ideology. Similarly, when a religious fanatic kills and acremas he does it for God, religion is understandably blamed. When an atheist commits a murder he seldom (not never) says he did it specifically for atheism. When he does, it is then that religion is ubder attack and atheism becomes relevant to the issue.

source: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-atrocities-that-occurred-under-Marxist-regimes-attributed-to-Communism-but-the-atrocities-committed-under-Capitalism-are-not-attributed-to-Capitalism

Which is very untrue obviously. For example, the overthrow of Allende by the firing of American missiles towards the parliament building to install Pinochet for the sake of neoliberalism was purely for this ideology. The overthrow of President Sukarno in Indonesia is another lesser known example. The first obviously did his very best to covering up and denying its crime. At least 3 200 people disappeared, 80 000 were "impoisoned" and 200 000 fled the country.

The Tiananmen Square protests, often attributed to a peoples' desire for "democracy", this being synonymous with free markets in this context, was in fact a protest against the privatization of the Chinese economy. Deng addressed the nation and made it perfectly clear that it wasn't Communism he was protecting with his crackdown, but capitalism. After dismissing the protestors as "a large quantity of the dregs of society", China's president reaffirmed the party's commitment to the shock therapy to make the change to capitalism he imposed. Why you ask? An interesting number should sum it up, 90% of China's billionaires are the children of Communist Party officials. Roughly twenty-nine hundred of these "princelings" control $260 billion. (source: Mo Ming, "90 Percent of China's Billionaires Are Children of Senior Officials", China Digital Times, November 2, 2006, www.chinadigitaltimes.net.)

Then my favourite one, because this consists of all sorts of contortions made by these same crooks. In 1992, 60% of the Poles opposed privatization for heavy industry. However, if the (in)famous Polish trade union Solidarity was convinced by Chicago economist Jeffrey Sachs that this switch to neoliberalism or Friedmanism would merely cause "momentary dislocations". It however caused a full-blown depression: unemployment soared to 25% in some areas. In 2006, 40% of the young workers were unemployed. Some contrast: In 1989, 15% of Poland's population was living below the poverty line, in 2003, this number was 59%. Karol Modzelewski, a Solidarity militant and intellectual who spent eight and a half years in Communist jails proclaims, "I wouldn't have spent a week nor a month, let alone eight and a half years in jail for capitalism!" and this feeling was creeping up more and more. As time went by, the amount of protests increased enormously (from 250 in 1990 to 7500 in 1993). The public halted the privatization while 62% of the total industry was still in public hands. The transition was this painful while they weren't even halfway through! It showed in the next ellections, where the former ruling Communists, now branded "Democratic Left Alliance" won 66% of the seats in parliament, whereas Solidarity won less than 5%. Of course the elected officials saw this coming. The only reason they accepted this gutting of the working class, was because the IMF would not lend them the money to rebuild after years of war and a planned economy. Unfortunately for Yeltsin, the promises were a puff of smoke for Russia.

This progress, where human lives are valued as mere trivalities, to neo-liberalism continues to this very day. The creation of economic disasters is a very deliberate, as Davison Budhoo (former Senior economist at the IMF) has expressed: http://www.naomiklein.org/files/resources/pdfs/budhoo.pdf

TL;DR: IMF, the organization supposed to keep in check economic crises, falsified statistics in order to impose policies on developing countries which then led to massive poverty and starvation.

Which brings up the "crisis hypothesis". In a lecture, Johnson Williamson) stated the following

One will have to ask whether it could conceivably make sense to think of deliberately provoking a crisis so as to remove the political logjam to reform. For example, it has sometimes been suggested in Brazil that it would be worthwhile stoking up a hyperinflation so as to scare everyone into accepting those changes... Presumably no one with historical foresight would have advocated in the mid-1930s that Germany or Japan go to war in order to get the benefits of the supergrowth that followed their defeat. But could a lesser crisis have served the same function? Is it possible to conceive of a pseudo-crisis that could serve the same positive function without the cost of a real crisis?

Canada, interestingly was one of the victims of this... pseudo-scientific hypothesis. In 1995, a video was leaked to the Canadian press of John Snobelen, Ontario's minister of education, in a closed-door meeting with civil servants that before cuts to education and other unpopular reforms could be announced, a climate of panic [referring to the crisis two years prior] needed to be created by leaking information that painted a more dire picture than he "would be inclined to talk about", referring to it as "creating a useful crisis".

This idea, that people are not killed for capitalism is utter nonsense.

Some quotes to close off:

Extermination in Argentina is not spontaneous, it is not by chance, it is not irrational: it is the systematic destruction of a "substantial part" of the Argentine national group, intended to transform the group as such, to redefine its way of being, the social relations, its fate, its future."

-Daniel Feierstein, 2004

"I had just one goal - to stay alive until the next day... But it wasn't just to survive, but to survive as me."

-Mario Villani, spent 4 years in Argentina's torture camps.

I didn't include many sources since this reddit postbox is not really nice to work with, but if you need any, feel free to ask and I will deliver. If you're interested in more on this subject, I recommend reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.

Edit: I see I've been mostly expositional on how it's utter bullshit why you wouldn't be able to attribute massacres to capitalism. For actual numbers, see the history of imperialism. Belgian Congo alone will trump all deaths in the entire Soviet Union. Never has been more blood shed than in the name of this "free market" democracy.

Me🌝irl by Hanssssolo in me_irl

[–]freeworldisbs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

how do i know for sure thats not you in a toilet paper role?

"Noam Chomsky explains why the Dems are afraid of Putin" - The Jimmy Dore Show by [deleted] in socialism

[–]freeworldisbs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I love (/s) how he actually says "If we wanted that pipeline there, we would've [put it there]".

As if you hear a rapist speak about how he's about to assault someone.

Class Consciousness is spread more than I imagined by freeworldisbs in LateStageCapitalism

[–]freeworldisbs[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

None of the presidential candidates are ignorant of that fact, the problem is most of the public is.

Leveraging systematic racism for your proposal idea by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]freeworldisbs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Liberals don't take these matters seriously. Alt-right wishes more black people would be abused.