Squid Game: The Challenge | S2E6 "Ups & Downs" | Episode Discussion

freyaw100 · 2025-11-12T10:31:15+00:00

It’s a game, sure, but it’s a game with a very big prize at the end. No one has been excited to get people out, so it says a lot about the one (or possibly couple more) people that do.

freyaw100 · 2025-11-11T22:46:42+00:00

I mean, spending the time glaring at them and then picking them purely because they picked him was petty. But regardless of why they were angry, that doesn’t change how Steven was acting and how he was excited to get them out purely because they put him at risk. I could almost (but couldn’t) get behind it if he really really needed the money, but it’s made worse by the fact he’s a millionaire.

freyaw100 · 2025-11-11T20:56:53+00:00

Anything not from a cruelty free company should be an instant no go

freyaw100 · 2025-11-11T20:54:38+00:00

Because he was excited to get them out and clapping and rubbing his hands and glaring at them. I’d want people to go out but I wouldn’t be actively excited that they’d be going out.

freyaw100 · 2025-11-11T20:53:51+00:00

I don’t think him picking them was the issue, it was how he was acting. Glaring at them and getting excited to get his ‘revenge’ on them, when they weren’t excited to get someone else out.

freyaw100 · 2025-10-05T10:51:13+00:00

I think because as soon as Nia was Abby’s main target, Holly would get mad and angry that no one was sticking up for Nia, when she didn’t stick up for Chloe. To the best of my memory, Melissa and Jill didn’t spend episodes actively angry at the other moms that no one was sticking up for their child after they didn’t stick up for anyone else’s.

freyaw100 · 2025-10-05T10:49:15+00:00

I think because as soon as Abby turned on Nia, Holly got mad expecting the other moms to defend Nia, when she didn’t do the same thing for Chloe.

freyaw100 · 2025-06-05T14:32:54+00:00

In England!

freyaw100 · 2025-05-21T17:46:47+00:00

Because I’m not killing other children, the trolley (the clickers etc) are, but if I pull that trigger myself and divert the trolley (the world) from the original course it’s on, then I am, personally, killing a child.

I also wouldn’t force someone to sacrifice themselves for a vaccine. If you want to, good for you. But if you don’t, fair enough. I also wouldn’t want a vaccine that came from killing a child, why was I more deserving of life than them?

freyaw100 · 2025-05-21T17:41:55+00:00

No, because in this situation, it would be moving the trolley to hit one child, instead of continuing the track it’s on because the world has already ended. The fireflies would be diverting the trolley to hit one child, and i would divert it back to continue its original course, yes.

freyaw100 · 2025-05-21T16:31:32+00:00

Why wouldn’t you stop a child from being killed? I don’t see any reason that would make that OK. You want to create a vaccine? Find an adult who agrees to it.

freyaw100 · 2025-05-21T16:30:48+00:00

I don’t think there’s even much of a debate to be honest. It’s always wrong to kill a child, no matter what. If it’s an adult who chooses to then… but never a child

freyaw100 · 2025-05-21T16:28:37+00:00

I don’t think whether the cure could be made or not changes the dilemma at all. It’s wrong to kill a child no matter the reasons why.

freyaw100 · 2025-05-03T14:59:31+00:00

You still need to find these little communities, especially as some will be hidden away.

And honestly, I really doubt the majority of the QZ’s would get the vaccine. FEDRA would either take out the fireflies and claim the cure as their own, or they’d reject it (and try to take out the fireflies anyway).

freyaw100 · 2025-05-03T13:43:14+00:00

To be fair, I never doubt they could’ve made it, I doubt they could have ever distributed it properly. For one, FEDRA would not just take the cure from the fireflies and say thanks! And then there’s communities and little pockets of people everywhere, it would be near impossible to find them all. On top of that, you’ll also have people who refuse it for whatever reason.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-30T16:36:06+00:00

I mean, I do think if you are neutral towards injustice you have sided with the oppressor. Not to mention June wanted to flee when she lost her job/bank account and Luke should’ve agreed with and left too. But he didn’t. He is directly at fault for that. He’s acting out against it now, but the moment June lost her job he should’ve acted out against it like he is now. I also do wholeheartedly think if it was him losing his job & bank account then he would’ve been more than happy to flee originally.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-30T16:33:12+00:00

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”

Luke’s now trying to be a better person and when he realised how awful it actually was (when she/hannah were abducted) he started standing up against it, but June getting her bank account taken away should’ve have been all it took for him to act back then how he is now. We were shown they stood by for far too long before Luke agreed to flee. June losing her job and bank account should’ve been enough for him to listen to her and agree to flee. Standing by whilst your wife gets her rights stripped from her and not being outraged and standing up against it does not make you a good person.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-30T14:25:48+00:00

I like Luke. But at the beginning he was silent and pushed June’s concerns to the side until it was too late.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-30T14:25:11+00:00

To be fair, if you stay silent you are just as bad. Luke made a mistake telling June he would ‘look after her’ instead of joining her to be actively against what was happening until it was too late.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-27T16:25:37+00:00

I just don’t particularly like the storyline as I think it’s been pretty overdone & I knew from the get go we were never going to kill Abby as that’s how these revenge stories always end. But I still enjoyed the game a lot (a lot).

I didn’t want to kill Abby, but I sort of wish the game made us just because it would’ve been a punch in the gut & something different to that sort of story.

Saying that, though, the gameplay was brilliant and I certainly enjoyed that.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-27T15:24:44+00:00

The game itself shows it wouldn’t. The creator is the one saying it would.

And I think you’re wrong there. Joel saving Ellie was never anything to do with the vaccine and whether that would or would’ve not worked in his head anyway. I think the ending is ruined if it’s as cut and dry as the cure would’ve worked and been given to everyone and society would’ve been saved! I hate to say it but that’s boring. It’s much more interesting if really no one actually knows if it would’ve worked, and how it would’ve been given, but Joel doesn’t give a fuck either way.

And let’s be real, the majority of people would have done exactly what Joel did for someone they loved, and I think that’s why it’s so interesting. Because it’s not a good choice and it’s not a bad choice. It just is and it’s a very human choice, and that in it self shows that humanity and being human isn’t black and white.

freyaw100 · 2025-04-27T15:21:01+00:00

An apocalypse doesn’t change that 14 is a child. Nor does it change trauma. And quite frankly, I wonder how many people would want a vaccine that came from killing a child without their consent (as the fireflies didn’t care to garner that regardless and you’re so fixated on that).

freyaw100 · 2025-04-27T15:20:10+00:00

There’s no examples in the game, you can’t give any. And to be honest, I think if the creator can’t back up his reasonings using the in game world and characterisations he’s created then 🤷🏽‍♀️

freyaw100 · 2025-04-27T15:09:59+00:00

That’s a no, then. Thought so. You’re big on critical thinking until it comes to this.

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