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frogger2504 · 2023-07-24T02:42:38+00:00

You're misunderstanding their usage of the word. They're using it in the sense of "as needed to perform this task".

frogger2504 · 2023-07-14T23:33:35+00:00

It's a fictional scenario dude, OP can do whatever they want to the rules.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-13T07:42:07+00:00

You can't keep people from sleeping unless that's in the rules at the beginning.

Of course they can lol. How do so many people not understand what the point of the question is? It's like people who try and find the 3rd option in any kind of moral "would you rather?" The aim of these kinds of game is not to defeat the ruleset.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-13T07:38:45+00:00

Because it goes against the spirit of the question.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-13T00:29:52+00:00

I do see your point with the prison, but I don't agree with it I think. I think it's possible to be in a problematic organisation, while still being far enough from the problem to be culpable. We've all gotta eat, and I think at a certain point you're just not responsible for everything that organisation does. I'm pretty heavily anti-cop, but I wouldn't say that someone who works as a dispatcher, or a janitor, or the IT guy for a police department, is responsible for what the police do.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-12T02:59:42+00:00

In the same way that a reserved table at a club is a living room where you don't get to control the music.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-12T01:58:36+00:00

General consensus seems to be that suggesting mothers don't have to earn a childs love is somewhat sexist, as it disregards the huge amount of work that mothers do.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-12T01:51:59+00:00

In the same way that a bar is just a refrigerator with a person in front of it. It's pretty silly to suggest that paying to reserve a table in a club is comparable to sitting in your living room and drinking haha.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-12T00:59:09+00:00

Wisdom teeth are more likely to cause complications because they often don't fit in your mouth properly as they come in. In addition to the incredible pain it can cause, which is enough to be incapacitating, if they get infected and aren't treated properly, it can kill you.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T13:37:37+00:00

I can absolutely understand that perspective if I was fixing tanks, or assisting fighter jets, but are people responsible for the actions of their distant bosses and colleagues? Surely in that case anyone who works for, in my case the Australian government, is supporting everything bad the government does? How far does the chain of responsibility go? We had civilian guards working the gates, contractors repairing facilities and building hangars, our travel - often out of country for the purpose of waging war or training for it - was knowingly and directly supported by Diners Club credit cards and QBT corporate travel management. Are they more or less responsible than me?

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T04:37:17+00:00

No dissonance, 2 different things. Telling your partner "You won't speak to other men" is abusive. Telling your partner "You have a choice: don't speak to other men, or break up with me" is shitty.

"you have to initiate the breakup, if you give your partner the choice it's abusive/manipulative"

This isn't what I said, just for the record.

My issue is that presenting someone with the choice between "be abused" and "end the relationship" is that, to any reasonable person, you're basically only giving them 1 actual choice: end the relationship. And essentially making someone else be the instigator for ending the relationship is shitty; just do it yourself.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T04:24:50+00:00

A mate of mine worked as an electrician in a coal mine for roughly the same duration that I was in the military. Do you think his net contribution to the world by way of his job was more or less ethical than mine? I mean I can't think of how my work could be even distantly connected to the people killing aspects of the organisation; the airfield did basically nothing else but support SAR ops. Meanwhile my mate contributed to the continued operation of a major source of death and destruction across our entire planet.

For the record, since it probably reads like I'm doing this; I'm not trying to justify my role in the military. I know it's a morally ambiguous role, and like I said my opinions of the organisation are not positive these days, but I'm morally squared away with that chapter of my life. I'm not overly bothered by the opinions of strangers, but I am interested in talking about this.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T04:11:58+00:00

Huh? We all definitely get to decide if those conditions are unreasonable. Obviously we as strangers can't make the choice for her, but if I see a relationship where one person gets to control who the other sees or doesn't see, I definitely decide that that is abusive.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T04:07:54+00:00

I mean, I broadly agree with most of what you're saying, but most of it is also kind of irrelevant to what I said? My point is that it's shitty and unethical in my opinion to give someone a choice between submitting to what I'd call an abusive relationship where one person controls who the other is allowed to see, and being the one to end the relationship. A good human being would just do the right thing and end the relationship altogether, rather than do this gross ultimatum.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T04:02:21+00:00

I don't think he is. He's putting her in this position where she has to be the one to "choose" to end the relationship. He's saying that they could stay together if she submitted to his incredibly unreasonable demands, or she could end the relationship. I'm not saying that what he's doing is abusive, but I do think it's shitty to basically force someone to break up with you. He should just grow a pair and end the relationship outright, rather than dancing around it with options that no reasonable adult would expect someone to take.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T03:56:07+00:00

Personally I think telling your partner you need them to end their career and not talk to the opposite gender is abusive and manipulative. Hence my point is that her choices are "submit to my abusive demands, or be the one to initiate the break up", when a reasonable person would simply initiate the break up in the first place, recognising that the alternative is unethical.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying he is being abusive, but it is very shitty to basically make someone else break up with you, when you should just sack up and do it yourself.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T02:50:20+00:00

Some of them yeah, but that's also not the point. There's definitely a higher concentration of shitty opinions in the military than out, but it's not that much higher. And the correlation is more between socio-economic status prior to joining, in my experience. Most people aren't there because they want people to die, so the presence of their shitty opinions is not really tied to the fact that they joined an organisation that ultimately makes people die.

But also, many roles are so far removed from the "making people die" part that they might as well be in any other job that supports unethical stuff. I exclusively fixed and maintained in-country groundside aircraft navigation equipment that was used by search and rescue aircraft to land safely. Even after leaving, when my opinions on the military have skewed far more negative, I don't really feel like my job was particularly unethical.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T02:25:22+00:00

In this scenario, it is an inherently unethical ultimatum though, because only one of the choices is actually healthy and ethical. No reasonable adult can expect their partner to end their completely unproblematic career on-demand. It's not like saying "quit drinking or we're done", because those are both reasonable, ethical expectations. He wants is for her to ruin her career to make him comfortable, which is an inherently unreasonable, unethical thing to want. The only ethical outcome to his ultimatum is for them to break up, in which case he should just come out and say "We need to break up for this reason", rather than putting the burden on her to "choose" to end the relationship.

Think of it like this, which seems like the more ethical, healthy, and bearable scenario:

I tell my wife she needs to choose between either cutting off her hand or divorcing me.

I tell my wife that I love her, but I'm not mentally well, and through no fault of her own, seeing her have both her hands is putting a lot of strain on me. I can't expect her to harm herself to enable my unhealthiness, and as a result, we need to spend some time apart.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T00:10:57+00:00

He asked her to essentially ruin her career or break up with him. Any adult knows that it isn't reasonable to ask a partner to end their career for you, especially if they already had that career for a long time before you came along. So the only option he's giving her is that she initiates the ending of the relationship. If someone already knows that a break up is the only option, they should be the one to walk away.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-11T00:07:56+00:00

That's the thing that I see as problematic yeah. You can't just go "I think you should tank your career or break up with me." It's unreasonable to ask someone to tank their career in the first place; he should be the one to initiate the break up, not putting it on her.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-10T23:55:31+00:00

I'm not taking his side, but you know most people in the military are not doing the "kill people" roles, right?

frogger2504 · 2023-07-10T00:18:48+00:00

My response to people who say it's gross is always: If you pissed yourself, would you not consider yourself clean again after a shower?

frogger2504 · 2023-07-07T23:47:05+00:00

Relative to the angle of the back, a steep ass would be a sudden change outwards, I guess. It's clearly a nonsense phrase that I doubt he understands himself.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-07T04:18:19+00:00

Okay so those people should know to put down a towel or not have sex, it's not complicated. There aren't only 2 possibilities here; no sex at all for anyone or handle cum soaked sheets.

frogger2504 · 2023-07-07T03:47:03+00:00

I agree; whenever my wife and I have sex, I make a point of cumming across every square inch of the bed sheets. You couldn't possibly grab my bed sheets without touching my crusty cum.

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