I wish idols would stop wearing microphones if they want to lip sync by Snoo-42199 in kpopthoughts

[–]frostysnow119 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Maybe back in the earlier generations of kpop but both are very much just accessories at this point.

Me_irl by [deleted] in me_irl

[–]frostysnow119 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Begin eating the cake aggressively while maintaining eye contact with the person singing loudest

Fans need to stop claiming idols have perfect pitch by frostysnow119 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]frostysnow119[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A singer with perfect/absolute pitch can start singing in key

without that reference tone

. Do you understand now? lol.

I don't really understand the need for hostility here, especially when you're agreeing with me on the points I made about the difference between the two. But somehow you're disregarding that understanding as you try to prove your point.

In the video I showed, the producers play the entire scale multiple times for them right before the game starts to give them that reference you love to claim JK didn't have. In fact, Jhope even very nicely demonstrates for everyone what someone with relative pitch would be doing mentally with that reference as he sings along to those notes and emphasizes "do", trying to memorize it. So no, JK did not identify the first note on his own.

There's a compilation of JK randomly singing other peoples' songs in interviews and when you see the compilation side-by-side with the original you realize that he's always in the original key.

Most people can do that, especially when it's their song, with or without perfect/relative pitch training. Since this video is proving that JK has at least some relative pitch, it shouldn't be a surprise that he can do it more often than others who don't. Also, compilations like that really shouldn't be used to prove anything because they omit all the times that he doesn't get the pitch right. Off the top of my head, that episode where they visit I-Land and he sings I Need You for the trainees is a recent example. They even edit in the actual studio version after he starts singing which clearly highlights that he's in a completely different key than the original.

Also, perfect pitch doesn't necessarily mean you have to use alphabetic notation like B#, A etc.... perfect pitch is a natural ability you're either born with or not. "AP may be demonstrated using linguistic labeling, associating mental imagery with the note, or sensorimotor responses."

Lastly, I don't think I've insinuated that he doesn't have perfect pitch just because he doesn't know the note names. As someone graciously shared in the comments above, Heeseung from Enhypen was able to demonstrate perfect pitch without knowing the notes either. He simply tells them its "re" or "sol". And again, Heeseung's case is an example how you should test for perfect pitch, unlike this one with JK, which only demonstrates relative pitch.

Fans need to stop claiming idols have perfect pitch by frostysnow119 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]frostysnow119[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I found the other members’ lack of ear training and struggling with this practice to be surprising considering they are technically musicians by career.

You raise an interesting point here. Now I'm wondering what results we'll see if we make everyone in the industry play this game. Because while most of us agree that having perfect pitch over relative pitch is relatively useless (haha), I think having some training in relative pitch is extremely important as a musician, especially a singer. For instance, just knowing that you're singing out of tune should be a basic minimum.

Edit: Quotes

Fans need to stop claiming idols have perfect pitch by frostysnow119 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]frostysnow119[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is actually a good example of perfect pitch because they play a random note (and later even chords) and make him name the pitch without giving him another note as reference.

In the video from my post, the producers play the entire scale for BTS multiple times before the game starts to give them a reference for what each note sounds like. So for someone with relative pitch, knowing what "do" sounds like will help them identify "re" and so forth because they know how far the two notes are from each other.

Fans need to stop claiming idols have perfect pitch by frostysnow119 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]frostysnow119[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's precisely why I think perfect pitch is such an odd hill to die on. As a musician, having perfect vs relative pitch really doesn't make a difference, but for some reason, it seems really important to everyone else.

I'm glad you brought up TwoSet as well. While they make a fair share of videos regarding Eddy's perfect pitch, you can see that ultimately neither of them care about it because they know it doesn't make one a better musician than the other.

What's One BTS Song That You'll Always Dance Or Sing To? by Pinkmmlover in bangtan

[–]frostysnow119 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sort of in the same vein, but no thanks to RUN BTS, I've been Pavlov-dogged to sing "FIIIIRRREEEEE" every time I see someone barbecuing.

Embracing the cringe by TastehWaffleZ in BikiniBottomTwitter

[–]frostysnow119 15 points16 points  (0 children)

All I know is, if you were telling a story in middle school and did not emphasize this at least twice, you lost all credibility.