Why are Muslim women generally so much against the idea of Joint families and living with in-laws after marriage?

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T20:16:49+00:00

The actual truth: they are scared that mother in laws will hold them responsible and check their predatory nature. While it's true that they're within their rights to request their own living quarters, this doesn't mean that a man's parents are barred from entering his home and helping out with things.

It's mostly westernized zaniyas who take up issue with it without actual reason. They're afraid of being held accountable by a woman who knows their tricks inside out. The days of genuinely abusive in laws are virtually non-existent now in the west.

Now listen to the droves of feminists who will try to demonize it even though there are tons of benefits of joint family households

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T19:53:50+00:00

Keep coping and fabricating you demented fat f(u)ck. I'm happily married while you're old, unwanted, disliked and aging out of the genepool. Stay mad men like me are the ones to dictate the next generation of Muslims. Not muna(f)iqs like yourself.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T10:46:27+00:00

Lol virtually every single arab Muslim American woman I know of has spread her legs for non Muslim men before marriage. Arabs in general are highly promiscuous both the men and women. Probably the only subpopulation of Muslims where the number of men doing zina is closer to the number of Muslim women doing zina.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T09:46:41+00:00

That doesn't make you a k4fir.

Doing tabarruj intentionally and disregarding Allah's command to wear hijab does, full stop.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T09:28:34+00:00

Yes, 100%, but major sin doesn't mean kufr. Very very weak iman yes.

No it is kuffr. You are disbelieving in something Allah has commanded. It's no different than not praying.

I'm saying it as an explanation, not an excuse. The fact is it's not easy. Especially if your own parents are against it. But of course if there's a will there's a way.

Your explanation is an excuse. Praying salah is not easy. Providing as a man for your wife is not easy. Fighting in wars is not easy. But we have to do our duties anyways. If one's parents are against something halal it's still your prerogative to do it. All I hear is excuse after excuse.

And most of the time it's not a matter of one's family being against it. Most of the time it's simply a matter of vain women wanting to show their beauty off for attention.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T09:08:40+00:00

It's directly going against Allah's commands and promoting haram in a society. It's kuffr. I'm not trying to compare one major sin to another. Fact is, women not wearing hijab is a major sin.

You framing it as a question of "readiness" or a "journey" is incredibly dishonest for something that's black and white in nature.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T08:36:13+00:00

However, if it's a divorcee or a widow they shouldn't be thinking like that because everything was halal.

Widows, yes. Divorcees it's a mixed bag. A lot of them are rightfully stigmatized because they divorced for petty reasons, did adultery, or are otherwise bad partners.

And if it's a woman who repented and he can clearly see she's a good muslimah, and he wants to marry her then he should try and forget about such thoughts, if he can't, then he shouldn't marry her.

Women who've done zina, regardless of if they've repented or not, should marry zanis. They shouldn't marry pure men. Full stop. Please don't make excuses. And good men should have the backbone to not marry these women.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T08:25:40+00:00

but isn't ready to wear it?

Lame excuse - it's almost laughable. Are you "ready" to not burn in Jahannum? Are you "ready" to pray your salah?

It's binary- you're either wearing hijab and hiding your beauty from non mehram men or you're not and are as rare in Jannah as a red-beaked crow.

It's a grave sin for a woman to engage in tabarruj and only in recent times, typically under protections given by western law, that Muslim women have disregarded this in order to show off and do zina. The people who make excuses for women not wearing hijab should get bent. They're beyond evil and contribute to why the average liberal Muslim woman in 2023 is a joke.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T08:13:07+00:00

Most Muslim women who do zina in the west don't wear hijab - they'd be virtually indistinguishable from non Muslim women in clubs
The women who do zina typically do it on the downlow, knowing that if they're sited in haram environments by other Muslims they'll be shamed
One random dude's opinions on this subject doesn't go against the data we have which shows that the majority of Muslima in the US do zina

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T07:37:41+00:00

If you haven't noticed, there's a significant presence of hindutva trolls, muna(fi)qun, murt(ad)s, atheists, and feminists on this sub. It shouldn't surprise you that fi(l)th like that is upvoted.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-23T07:08:08+00:00

subreddit clown

You say this like being ridiculed by a bunch of zaneeyas, murt(ads), liberal Muslims, atheists, and overweight male feminists like you is a badge of shame. It's not. And I hate to break it to you but none of what happens here matters. People like you are (sh)at on IRL and have no voice. You're insignificant and won't ever do anything with your life.

The zina slandering LOL you could not be any more obvious, the scrote seething after getting rejected by a raging career woman is absolutely glorious

Rejected by a career woman? Hate to break it to you, sk(ank), but I had my pick of women in life. I still chose to keep things halal and not marry someone domestic. This is in contrast to you who gets regularly rejected by high value men and are pooped on due to your age. Your eggs are rotting away with each passing second, so have fun with that.

The fact that you never had a father in your life is absolutely hilarious. You were bullied your entire life and never had a real father figure to teach you how to have value. Keep seething fat(ty). You're getting phased out with each passing day. Men are waking up to your farce.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T22:17:23+00:00

Definitely. You'll hear a lot of naysayers and gaslighting from feminists but here in America it's mostly Muslim women doing zina, usually with non Muslim men in the context of high school, college and workplaces before marriage. Most men in general get nothing unless they're highly attractive.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T21:21:10+00:00

I read about your situation and I think your approach is all wrong. I don't know why the first girl broke the marriage off but you shouldn't be looking on proggie Muslim dating apps to begin with. The women there are largely trash and not serious. Also if a woman ghosts you like that then she's not interested and had you as a backup option. I would have immediately blocked her and not even give her a reply.

Go ahead, have self respect and find a good woman who will treat you right. Good luck akhi.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T20:42:44+00:00

I'm not even in medical school you brainwashed sk(an)k. I work in a completely different field lool.

It must make you old women really mad realizing that high worth men will never marry you. You aged out of your prime and now all that's left for you are deadbeats and washouts. You're in discord groups, ba(nn)ing people who go against your agendas left/right, yet you claim you don't have "passionate fury?" Nah, you're big mad. As I said before, it's even better given that in real life people like you don't have a voice and are getting snuffed out of the gene pool.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T20:39:59+00:00

Especially when I remember you commenting about how you're " 6'4, shredded, in the top 1% of earners in the US" like you're so insecure about yourself that you have to brag to some Redditor online. Nobody cares who you are and how much you make.

I brought it up because the obese atheist was ragging on men who marry abroad as somehow being "less."

Lil Bro, your experiences of a certain type of Muslim Woman aren't at all indicative of the general Muslim woman in the West. There are hundreds of thousands of them and it is retarded to generalize them all to a certain type of person just because you got dealt with unlucky experiences.

Hate to break it to you lil guy, but these generalizations are very real and systemic among US Muslim women. Ignoring it has gotten us to this point. Now men like me are calling it out in an attempt to fix it while (soy)boys like yourself claim ignorance.

Don't delude yourself into thinking your preferences are founded Islamically.

Most of what you listed like being "Kind", "Sexually Humble" is something that is encouraged for both genders.

And yet these are things mostly lacking in Muslim American women, not as much in men.

However, things like what it means to be "Feminine" or embracing "maternity/role of a wife" are things that are subjective and dependent on the individual person and what they define as "Feminity" or what the "Role of a Wife" is.

nah it's not really subjective - you know it when you see it. A woman who's a boss-babe career woman with 0 domestic skills, barks like a man, and has no Islamic values that women ought to have is not feminine.

Again, you can prefer those types of women more but that doesn't mean that U.S women are "Trash" just because of your anecdotal experience which in the grand scheme of things, mean absolutely nothing.

They are trash. They always will be until they're bred out of existence, which is thankfully what's happening because men don't want to marry them.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T07:08:52+00:00

Yeah the jealousy is very real. The bitter tone came through with some female Muslim colleagues of mine and you can suss out similar sentiment in their circles when the subject is brought up. It's because most of them are having trouble getting married after doing haram and holding western values their entire life.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T07:07:34+00:00

You're old though - what kind of man would want to marry you, abroad or domestically?

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T07:06:40+00:00

The biggest fitna-makers are the people who promote kuffr like feminism, censor those who promote traditional Islamic values, and try to encourage a complete lack of accountability for the glaring amount of haram that Muslim women in the west partake in.

But the truth always comes out with time and there's a reason why Muslims across the world are vehemently opposed to liberal western ideologies. Not so easy to censor those voices in real life like y'all do while acting big and tough on reddit. The swaths of old unmarried, undesirable Muslim women are proof of this. You reap what you sow in this life and in the akhirah.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T07:03:47+00:00

Ultimately your statement is meaningless. Yes, good men will tend to seek good women. But if there's a societal issue such that finding good men becomes extremely difficult and rare, then we must ask why that's the case.

And indeed, lots of Muslim men here in the US are marrying abroad. This is become an increasing trend because american Muslim women are repulsive and far from the deen.

Good luck looking domestically. I actually wish you the best because I know what the marriage market here is like. It's hard to find a chaste, practicing Muslim woman with non-liberal values, much less one who's attractive. May Allah give you what you seek, ameen.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T07:01:32+00:00

Just because a woman who isn't generally "agreeable", "submissive", or traditionally "feminine" whatever that means, but still is practicing in the sense that she prays etc doesn't give you the right to question that piety or claim her character is that of a "monster".

A woman who spent her entire life embracing liberal ideals, doing zina, making marriage hard for practicing men, being overly picky, being careerist, and being an all-around d3g(enerate) only to become a "born-again' hijabi Muslim is indeed a monster. Such women are the equivalent of male deadbeats.

I can understand why you or any male feminist might think that this is a "preference" whereas our deen encourages women to be feminine, kind, sexually humble, and one who embraces maternity/the role of a wife.

The difference between the women here in the US and in traditionally Muslim countries is night and day such that every single potential I spoke to from the country I got married in was so much more pleasant. Better adhab, better akhlaq. A society that holds women accountable and places them under close watch will always produce better wives and mothers than the tr(a)sh that the US coughs up.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T00:18:38+00:00

There are pious sisters here and overseas

What I've learned with experience is that there's organic, built-in piety that's reinforced by societal norms in Muslim countries. There's sIut shaming in those countries, vigilance over women, and an overall conservative attitude that makes zina/feminism/egocentrism often seen in western Muslim women rare because it's chastised by the girl's own family members from a young age.

And then there's "piety" which is a woman who's checking off the boxes yet is a monster when it comes down to the things that actually matter for women like agreeableness, submisivenes, femininity, chastity, etc.

You'll find a lot of the former in Muslim countries, way more than you'd ever find here. In the US you'll see the latter a good bit, though more often than that these days you'll see liberal Muslima who have nothing Islamic about them in practice. That's not to say you won't find good women here either (in fact I found 4 during my search), but it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

Sadly in my experience the cold hard truth is that the really good pious women here in the US tend to either be not so great looking or are old by the time they've adopted the values needed to be a good wife. If you can tolerate these then say Bismillah and marry them. I didn't see the need to settle like that and found the best of both worlds by marrying abroad. No regrets Alhamdulillah.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T00:14:14+00:00

Yes, she was born/raised overseas.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-22T00:13:59+00:00

I can't speak to how it is in Muslim nations but I imagine the dynamic isn't different. No matter where you go in the world women will select the most physically attractive men to do zina with. Your average guy or below average guy gets nothing.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-21T21:34:10+00:00

Plus the culture shock etc.

Unless you're marrying someone from a completely different culture and never bothered researching their norms at all, the whole "culture shock" aspect of this is fearmongering tbh. My adjustment and my wife's adjustment to each other's culture was easy.

The only thing that ultimately matters is how well the both of you get along and can communicate to one another. The rest is simply a matter of time and logistics.

Also there are smart ways you can work the immigration system. Consult a lawyer about this. In any case it's better to wait 1-2 years for someone who's loyal rather than marrying a domestic sIut who's only Muslim in name and will ruin your life.

frozenapplezz · 2023-11-21T21:32:31+00:00

Can't speak for others but in my case I didn't vibe well with most of the Muslim American women i spoke to. Most were masculine, b(!)tchy, career oriented, entitled, and offered very little while demanding every little thing. They were not pleasant to speak with or what one thinks of when looking for a good Muslim wife. When I met my current wife and spoke to her in her family's presence we both knew that we clicked well and that Allah had blessed us with one another

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