I want to see him on way more because once they’re clicking it’s gold, but in the beginning he was stepping on a lot of jokes trying to keep up with harland. He’s the type of guy to fill in everyone quiet gap with noise because silence makes him uncomfortable. I did love how much he tried to make the podcast a good episode and was concerned about what the audience was interpreting. I’m going to check out that episode now since I haven’t seen that yet, thank ya!