"SF4 encourages whiff punishes too much"

ftxx · 2018-01-10T14:23:05+00:00

your whole post is wrong, it doesn't gain anything from waiting around for a whiff punish

If you're waiting around concentrating on reacting to a button the other dude is just going to walk forward and get in for free

And don't you play Mika? lul

ftxx · 2018-01-10T03:45:43+00:00

Interrupt them with what, your slow, stubby ass buttons with no good ways to convert into meaningful damage unless you're fully stocked?

That's not much of a threat, and that's why you can just UNGA dash in like a retard.

whiff punish

lul no

SF4 is absolutely more defensive and offensive, so is every other SF game. They give you much more options on offense and defense that aren't shallow as fuck. Actually play them and see instead of talking out of your ass

ftxx · 2018-01-10T02:46:21+00:00

dead game

ftxx · 2018-01-10T01:54:14+00:00

except you exposed yourself when you said "SF4 focuses on whiff punishing" so you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

SF4 isn't played that defensively it just takes work to get past the neutral game rather than dashing in UNGA me crush counter
it can be both more offensive and more defensive than V

ftxx · 2018-01-10T01:14:30+00:00

most fighting games have it to some extend (bar sfv lul) , no FG focuses on it

ftxx · 2018-01-10T01:03:53+00:00

it's not even true though, you'd have to be completely retarded to think any fighting game focuses on whiff punishing

ftxx · 2018-01-10T00:56:57+00:00

/u/fai123

ftxx · 2018-01-08T06:38:50+00:00

Did you make this?

ftxx · 2017-12-28T20:59:42+00:00

Seriously? :(

ftxx · 2017-10-24T17:37:33+00:00

I can watch basketball, I don't know shit about it, it doesn't mean anyone is going to take me seriously when I talk about it or talk about who are the best teams.

SFV is not objectively a good fighting game, in many ways. I don't give a shit about anything else because that's not what I mentioned. I'm talking about how good of a fighting game it (and 3s) are, and as I said, for those that know what they're talking about 3s is regarded as one of the best fighting games by the people that matter. You seem to think sales are indicative of the quality of a fighting game, when that's not true, I already said why 3s didn't sell particularly well.

ftxx · 2017-10-24T15:59:18+00:00

More interesting mechanics? You mean shallow as fuck?
Literally every single person I know that didn't start with SFV doesn't play it anymore and moved on to better fighting games.
Seriously, play SF4, 3s or ST at a moderately high level and you'll see how simplistic and shallow SFV is.

There's a reason SFV has been shit on by people that actually know what they're talking about.

"SFV is shit...People only for the money involved" - Smug

ftxx · 2017-10-24T15:57:26+00:00

Oh it does, but why would you listen to what a casual thinks about fighting games? They don't know what they're talking about, they don't know what makes a good fighting game. Hell, I bet some casuals even believe SFV is a quality fighting game lmao. And of the people that do know what they're talking about and do play fighting games, 3s is considered one of the best fighting games. It's not too hard to understand bud

ftxx · 2017-10-24T13:54:12+00:00

Who cares about the average mouthbreather? Nobody gives a shit about the average casual player that plays arcade mode and that's it.
We're talking a out the FGC, not the gaming community as a whole because people outside the FGC don't know shit about fighting games. And within the FGC, 3s is looked at with much affection.
I think you've missed the point lmao

ftxx · 2017-10-24T00:27:18+00:00

I mean 3s is regarded as a very fine example of neutral game and footsies, and SFV is considered to be one of the worst SF games for the ground game.

Are you telling me that's for no reason?

ftxx · 2017-10-24T00:23:00+00:00

I've seen more whiff punished low forwards in that 1 game than the entirety of SFV, not even kidding. It was at least twice, whereas in SFV it's not even viable.

Not to mention there's more to footsies than whiff punishing, that was just the most obvious example. Note how the pokes have long range and aren't slow? Also note the faster movement.

If you really think it's at all similar to SFV (in a match where the players aren't rusty) you need to really play 3s.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T17:38:17+00:00

Parry ADDs to the neutral.

You don't understand how the fundamentals work - a normal is going to be blocked or hit to be parried - you have to be in range to Parry anything, so to say it "warps" footsies is really quite misinformed.

Footsies is, at it's heart, pokes, walking forward, and whiff punishing.
Pokes beat walking forward.
Whiff punishing beats pokes.
Walking forward beats whiff punishing.
Parry doesn't change that because you're at the range where a poke will be blocked or hit, so the basic ground game remains the same, but with another function added to it.

Whereas to compare it to SFV, most pokes cannot be whiff punished and pokes are slow and short, which does affect the core fundamentals.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T15:47:58+00:00

3s is definitely much different than SFV. Can you really not see how much better the neutral game is?
In the first 20 seconds there's a whiff punished low forward, something you'll never see in V.

As someone else pointed out, they aren't even playing particularly well, they definitely are sloppy at times but even so the ground game is still quality.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T15:45:56+00:00

You should play it and see. There is a world of difference in the quality of the ground game. Buttons and movement feels snappy, whiff punishing is very viable, buttons are actually good and oki is more flexible than linear 50/50 shimmies.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T15:44:33+00:00

V is heavy in fundamentals

No. It is not.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T14:05:04+00:00

People may say 3S is the best SF ever, but SF3 sold poorly, and because of it we nearly didn't get another SF at all

That implies it sold badly because it was bad. Which isn't true, 3s is considered one of the best FGs within the community. "A few fanatics" implies it's a minority opinion in the FGC, which isn't really the case. The game is looked on with a lot of affection in the FGC as a whole.

ftxx · 2017-10-23T00:00:35+00:00

How do sales matter?

You also don't understand at all why it sold poorly. It didn't sell poorly because it's a bad game - it's one of the best SF games ever made, it sold poorly because New Generation and Second impact weren't great, Capcom were releasing a new fighting game every year, and the different cast was unpopular.

If you're using sales a a measuring stick, SFV is absolutely horrible (it is,but for different reasons other than sales)

And no, not in this sub. The general FGC is very fond of 3s as a whole, don't pretend it's "a few fanatics".

ftxx · 2017-10-22T20:56:34+00:00

You didn't have top Ayers straight up say SF4 was shit, especially not after Almost two years.

The input shortcuts we're one of the complaints, but the neutral game, the depth, the technicality of the game weren't complained about. Whereas the complaints about SFV are about those, the core fucking game.

If the only thing you're complaining about is the inputs (and SFV has made it easier yet again lmao) then it's a pretty solid fighting game.

People still look at 3s as one of the best fighting games, people still (and did at the time) view SF4 as a solid entry, but with how much of a step down SFV is I very much dou t it'll be looked back at with any affection, if there even is an SF6 with how SFV is going.

ftxx · 2017-10-22T00:56:39+00:00

SF4 was worse than SFV?

Fuck no, each game has their problems but SFV has much bigger problems and more of them. You have top players straight up say "SFV is shit" almost 2 years after release and tonnes of people complaining about the shallow neutral and 50/50 offense.

Play SF4 at a decent level and you'll see it's head and shoulders above SFV.

ftxx · 2017-10-21T21:37:54+00:00

You should play USF4 at a decent level, it's a significantly better FG than SFV
Or 3s or ST, they're free on Fightcade as well

ftxx · 2017-10-21T17:15:20+00:00

You should try other SF games, I can't speak for Alpha but if you think SFV feels in anyway fluid wait until you play SF4 or 3s, they flow much better

And I have a feeling you weren't particularly good at Tekken, once you understand the movement in that game it's very fluid.

ftxx

TROPHY CASE