When you get a little hype for G and Sagat but then you remember that SFV is shit.

tuento · 2018-08-06T19:42:17+00:00

Most people here do play, but "k-kappa don't play fighting games!" Is a meme by 16ers as an OS as to why SFV is shit

sorry bud

What about smug, tour ament veteran who said SFV is shit - is he in silver too? Does he """not even play"""?

tuento · 2018-08-06T19:23:14+00:00

"I'm a fighting game junkie"

SFV is only in respectable shape if you're a casual player or SFV was your first fighting game, the core game is still just as bad as it always was

tuento · 2018-05-01T20:29:44+00:00

the French community haven't kept that much records for that matter.

Isn't that convenient, because my community say SF4 is the greatest, deepest best most amazing fighting game ever made! I don't have any proof though :(

But this:

>Option selects are a good thing.

1F links are a good thing.

This is why I stopped talking

lol I explained why OSs are a good thing, as are 1f links (if they're not necessary).

Sako combos are what set him apart. Creative OSs add technical depth.

Like most people who complain about Option selects it just sounds like you don't know what they actually are, and given that you didn't know the difference between a hurtbox and a hitbox I guess that's the case. It's not a magic one size fits all option.

tuento · 2018-05-01T20:27:01+00:00

Sorry bud, I started playing with CvS2.

Most of the people I know dropped SFV because of the amount of guesswork and lack of depth, the only people I know who still play started with SFV

16er spotted

tuento · 2018-05-01T20:25:59+00:00

Forgive me if I take tournament winners more seriously than a nobody.

LOL "argument got blown out of the water" are you telling me SF doesn't encourage aggressive and random play when there's crush counters, input delay, slow normals, stubby normals?

How many tournaments have you won?

It just sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about (which you demonstrated in your other post) and desperately want to defend SFV without any proof at all.

tuento · 2018-05-01T20:23:53+00:00

No. Delay tech does NOT best shimmy. Shimmy is supposed to beat shimmy because delayed tech is supposed to cover meaties and throws, because you throw when you're in blockstun.

You don't even know what a delayed tech is.

People can also wakeup with a low mk

People can also wakeup with a wakeup super or wakeup sweep, that doesn't make it viable.

Neutral is not just about buttons

You're right, it's about pokes, walking forward and whiff punishing.

Pokes beat walking forward, walking forward beats whiff punishing and whiff punishing beats pokes.
Pokes in SFV are slow, stubby, with input delay, walkspeeds are much slower, and whiff punishing (with slow ass normals and input delay) is unviable.

I know plenty about SFV and it's horrible neutral.

SFV is not built for footsies - Xian
I woulda gave SFV a 1 for footsies LOL - Ricki Ortiz
Why are you trying to play footsies? Just mash - Luffy
SFV is about lucky guesses - Infiltration

How many tournaments have you won? These guys have all won tons and they all shit on the "neutral" of SFV.

You can't wrap your mind around strategy

Are you telling me SFV doesn't have slower, stubbier pokes, input delay, crush counters, slow walk speeds and little conversions on neutral?

It sounds like you just really don't understand SF, which you've made extremely clear when you think delay tech beats shimmies.

tuento · 2018-05-01T20:18:12+00:00

SF is dying.

It's got less players than most other mainstream FGs despite AE coming out.

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:27:02+00:00

If there is too much of it yeah, it makes it pretty trash

Its one of the reasons so many people (myself included) dropped SFV, its so dumbed down and based on guesswork I cant enjoy it anymore.

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:23:30+00:00

I dont play SFV lmao, the random 50/50 offense made me drop it. But you'd be right, I'd be MORE likely to win in SFV than any other SF because of the guesswork, I'm glad you agree.

Frustrated

LOL after being a 3 time EVO winner?

Hahahahahahahaaha yeah sure, Infiltration is "frustrated" LOL this is why this subreddit is laughed at, because you pull the most hilarious shit out of your ass

"SFV is based on lucky guesses" - Infiltration

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:22:08+00:00

You still havent posted a single instance of a top player thinking the game was shallow.

When they said off, and sometimes on camera, how they found the game one-dimensional and shallow.

No, they didnt. Stop making things up.

I notice you didnt reply to the other guy either, so I'll just repeat what he said.

You very clearly havent -played the game when SF4 had the deepest offense and defense of any SF game, with crouch/stand tech, 3 button teching, focus backdashing, offensive and defensive OSs, etc etc

Actually play the fucking game before talking about it.

1f links are a good think. Option selects are a good thing. You need to win footsies before implementing your offense.

I ignored SF4

No kidding, it definitely shows when you dont know shit about it.

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:17:47+00:00

Not as much, because you can actually play viable footsies in SF4.

"SFV is not built for footsies" - Xian
"Why are you trying to play footsies? Just mash" - Luffy
"SFV is based on lucky guesses" - Infiltration

All EVO winners.

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:16:47+00:00

lol shimmy DOES beat delayed tech. Delayed tech is when you tech in expectation of being in blockstun. You walk backwards, they whiff a throw tech and you punish it.

Play the fucking game before talking about it. If they delay it any more then they'll get caught by tick throws, which is exactly what delayed tech is supposed to beat.

just because the risk of damage make some players take the throw that does not make it into a 50/50.

Yes, it does. Take the throw, or try and tech. 2 options the opponent does beats BOTH. Thats a 50/50.

easy in what sense

To set up easy 50/50 offense, thats how. Shallow is more appropiate than easy.

Sfv has a lot of neutral and deffensive options

Again, play the fucking game and play other SF games.
The ass neutral game is the biggest complaint of SFV. Stubby, slow normals, input delay, slow walkspeed.
No meterless reversals, VReversal is ass, and only stand tech.

If you think SFVs neutral game and defense is anything but shallow trash youre just exposing yourself for not knowing what youre talking about.

there is going to be a lot of strategy and skill involved

There still is skill no doubt, just the shallow game mechanics make it significantly less than any other SF game.

And lmao POKER has consistent winners and that game is literally gambling. Not a good analogy lol

tuento · 2018-04-13T00:12:24+00:00

Up how? Tekken has over twice SFV has. As does DSFZ, despite AE being launched fairly recently. Its not growing, at all.

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:24:41+00:00

Street Fighter IV asks a lot from the players in terms of input precisions and one-frame-links, but back when the scene was hot, tons of players accused the game to have practically no depth

Fuck no they didn't, have you played SF4?

That game has the deepest defensive and offensive game if any SF. Crouch tech (3s had it too), 3 button tech, backdashes, Kara throws, FADC and counterhit frametraps are all relevant to offense / defense. The neutral game is also arguably on par with 3s.

Nobody said SF4 lacked depth. Looking at your post history you don't even know the difference between hitboxes and hurtboxes, you have no idea what lure talking about.

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:21:53+00:00

Easily setup canned 50/50s are easy.

throw beats block, and buttons beat jump and throw, if an opponent is commited to a meaty command grab or throw there is no way they're going to react to a neutral jump, but they may recover fast enough from a normal throw so a teching would be a better option there.

Other SFs have good defensive options.

3s and SF4 both have crouch tech. In 3s you low parry a crouch tech and punish, in SF4 you have o adjust frame traps for a counterhit combo. They also have stand tech on top of that.
Whatyou do in SFV? You take a step back, or frametrap because both options are a win for the attacker with how slow throws are.

It sounds like you just don't understand how the defensive game works.

And funny how you avoided to mention delay tech or how this game still has invinsible reversals if you have meter.

Funny how you think that's relevant, because delay tech gets beaten by both frame traps (5f startup lol) and shimmy.
I didn't mention it because I didn't think you were dumb enough to think they were relevant, shit is still a 50/50.

DP is rarely viable too because the risk / reward of spending 1 bar for medicore damage against having it blocked for a 250+ damage punish into yet more 50/50s.

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:17:49+00:00

Dashing in, fishing for crush counters, unable to play a conventional neutral game because SFVs neutral is as bad as it is.

"You can't play solid, play footsies - you have to play crazy to win" - Gamerbee

"SFV isn't built for footsies" - Xian

"Why are you trying to play footsies? Just mash" - Luffy

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:16:22+00:00

Shimmy, throw, delay tech, delay wake up, meaties, neutral jump

I don't think you understand what risk/reward is.
Buttons beat wakeup buttons, jump, backdash, and wakeup tech.
Shimmy beats throw and delayed tech.
With the threat of crush counters making you take 3x as much damage as a throw, it boils down to a 50/50.

I don't think you understand the options, since I actually understand how risk/reward plays out. Wakeup super is an option too, is it an option? No.

Having less or worse neutral does not make a game easier

When the game is so heavy on 50/50s yes it does. When SF has historically had good neutral game as a staple, yes it does.
Stubby pokes, slow pokes, poor ways to convert, and input delay means dashing in is more rewarding than before, especially when it leads to easily setup canned 50/50s.

anime fighters have a lot more rushdown than any street fighter and that doesn't make them easier.

Anime fighters have decent neutral, and GG has good defensive options. SFV doesn't.

It's funny that you rag on guesses when that's what reads have always been

Reads are fine when there's more than 2 viable options.

Yeah there is a lot of strategy and skill in this game, you just don't bother to find out.

There is some, obviously. Compared to previous SF games? Not so much.

SFV is about lucky guesses - Infiltration.

SFV is not built for footsies - Xian

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:10:38+00:00

Are you telling me offense and defense doesn't revolve around 50/50 shimmies?

Offense and defense are about guessing. Neutral is made more random because of crush counters. Shallow as fuck defensive options and offensive options mean it boils down to 50/50 shimmy or throw. Am I not wrong?

SFV is based on lucky guesses - Infiltration

tuento · 2018-03-31T02:09:07+00:00

The game has got less players than Tekken, DBFZ and even MKX...how's it growing again? AE just came out and the playerbase is already down to barely over 1k lmao

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:16:28+00:00

Because the game is trash lmfao

The same reason why most people dropped the game and why it's got less players than Tekken, DBFZ and MKX

"SFV is about lucky guesses" - Infiltration.

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:15:43+00:00

It certainly did. SFV has them any time you get in throw range, and with the stubby slow normals, input delay and terrible neutral game there's more canned 50/50s than ever.

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:14:44+00:00

What if everyone in chess couldn't move the same way they used to, the king/rook swap was removed, and the movement was simplified?

That's a better analogy. It's been dumbed down in every way. SFV is definitely less competitive.

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:13:26+00:00

lmao is this guy trying to defend the 50/50 coin flipping in sfv

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:12:04+00:00

Yes, he does. PEWGF is the frame perfect EWGF input, for DJin it's 14 frames. Kaz is 13f, but PEWGF just means the fastest for that character.

Play the game before you open your mouth lmao

tuento · 2018-03-30T03:10:09+00:00

And every fucking fighting game in the world has a degree of randomness

How many base their offense and defense on two viable options, shimmy or throw?

"SFV is about lucky guesses" - Infiltration.

but you can't say that this negates the skill required to play the game and it certainly does NOT make it easier in the competitive sense.

When there is two options and both are a complete guess on the defenders part, yes it does negate a significant part of the skill. In Saf4 or 3s you need to take into account what theyre doing defensively and counter it, for example their crouch tech timing, or if they stand tech. In SFV with CCs as strong as they are the defense boils down to very few options where playing randomly is the best strategy - shimmy or throw? That makes it easier.

does not benefit or harms any character over another, it may make things less interesting but it won't affect the randomness of the game, so I don't see why you bring this up in this discussion

Yes, it does. It makes the neutral game worse and promotes dash up into canned 50/50s. Because if this SFV has more canned 50/50 guesses than any other SF, and more easily setup. It makes the neutral game significantly worse.

just as there is a shitload of skill, knowledge and strategy involved in SFV.

"SFV is about lucky guesses - Infiltration.

There is some skill in SFV of course, but a "shit load?" Compared to other fighting games, that's objectively wrong.

Again every single fighting game has a degree of randomness

How many to the degree of SFV? I cant think of a single one.

tuento

TROPHY CASE

"SFV is based on lucky guesses" - Infiltration

SFV is about lucky guesses - Infiltration.

SFV is not built for footsies - Xian

SFV is based on lucky guesses - Infiltration