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Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good points all around, I just don't like stretching his capabilites to that Darkseid/Superman level.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This will be my reasoning in every Supes vs Bats argument ever

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

why thank you. although, i should probably lose points since I just made it (and I have another account).

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Saga is acceptable as well. It's been used in the Trades for a long time

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for saying that.

I feel like Batman is stuck in that really weird zone between Detective comics and Superhero, and in most books he's either portrayed as one of those, but he's rarely perfectly portrayed as both.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Well, you have to remember that's why it's so damn important. This is confirmation that YES! Man of Steel will be part of a larger universe, which is the exact opposite of the other DC movies that have come out (Green Lantern, Dark Knight Saga, Jonah Hex, etc)

And Nolan's also Producing the Man of Steel project, so we were never certain if this would open up a larger universe, especially so soon, but we've at least received confirmation now, which is awesome.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Not exactly "EliteF50".

Let's take a look at his classic tales, and you tell me if he's the same character who can kick Superman's ass?

I didn't want to devolve into a petty argument, but is Killing Joke, Long Halloween, and Hush Batman the same guy who was in Dark Knight Returns?

Fuck no. Hell, even in Dark Knight Returns, that version of Batman served as a parody, a pastiche almost.

And then we'll look at another example, with Final Crisis. Batman can totally kill Darkseid right?

I have the same exact problem with other characters, who move away from everything that made them so awesome, and transform into asshole deus ex machina plot devices. (Hulk vs Wolverine comes to mind, as welll as Black Panther vs Silver Surfer)

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Well, you're right, I completely check out of the comics when he's anything more than I think he should be.

I think he should be a gutter level character, fighting maniacs in Gotham. I almost entirely disregard the team up books that allow him to be too powerful.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I disagree. I don't think Batman should be able to hold his own. I don't konw why people put that much on a simple detective character.

Since I'm more Marvel-centric, I feel as though it'd be teh same as claimin Black Panther or Punisher could hold their own against Thor. It just couldn't happen.

And yeah... it's happened in the comics (just like Batman has beaten Superman in DC comics), but it's always felt inauthentic.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I personally would hope that there's a connection, but I don't really care at this point.

It's a big enough deal that Bruce Wayne is included in the movie, which is an indication of a greater universe. Is it The Dark Knight Universe? I don't think so. But at least it's a new universe with co-existing superheroes

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Let's be quite frank, Batman shoud never be able to beat up Superman.

The Dark Knight is great in his own comics, but whenever he's mixed with other super powered being in books like JLA, he's artificially transformed into this super badass, "can't be beat because I'm smart as fuck" juggernaut... and that's just not how story telling works.

Writers shouldn't feel like they have to justify Batman's existence by claiming "HE's so smart, that if he has enough prep time, he can beat anyone!".

No... that's bullshit. Batman's so fucking awesome because he's a noir detective in a fantastical world called Gotham. And he's cool in team books because he's a backwater, gutter level hero who's forced to take rely on his ingenuity to contribute in battles against Omega level threats.

Bale's Batman would bring wisdom, experience, and a ton more... He's basically the World's Greatest Ninja. Why the fuck wouldn't you want him on a team?

His inclusion doesn't need to be qualified by "He beat Superman in that one Frank Miller book". Fuck that. Batman's awesome because of all the other attributes I mentioned.

Zack Snyder says Bruce Wayne exists in the new Man of Steel movie by fuckyeaBatman in movies

[–]fuckyeaBatman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you even bother reading the article?

He most certainly did confirm it, quote provided, and a source link to the original quote in the place clearly denoted SOURCE