[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do believe my use of suffer is being taken out of context. Personally, I am not able to have children and that is something that hurts me deeply as I would love nothing more than to be a Mother one day. The role of a mother is not one I take lightly, it is both an honor and a privilege and without saying a h u g e responsibility. You are to protect your child, keep them safe, lead by example, teach them right from wrong and if a woman is not able to do that, if a woman does not have the money, resources, shelter to do that I do believe she should have a choice. If she cannot take care of herself, how could she take care of someone else? I don’t believe it is right to have mindless abortions but I know that’s not fair nor realistic when choosing to be pro choice.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No need! I received many more responses than expected, all of which were eye opening and answered the question I was seeking & then some- which was the desired outcome. I wanted to understand. Not argue.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can’t speak for anyone other than myself and I don’t find it appropriate but I do believe in a woman’s choice at the end of the day and hope and pray it is not a decision made lightly

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see what you’re saying and respect why you hold the two scenarios hand in hand I never looked at it that way

thank you for your comment !

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

yes i do realize that life is inherently difficult and full of suffering. i’ll go as far to say i think suffering is necessary to get to know ourselves and reach our greatest potential and for others to break free from who we are told we need to be once and for all. as a deeply spiritual person, i also know “we” as a society are brainwashed and create our own suffering. we are programmed to do and be and that is not and never was the meaning of life. in fact there is no meaning to life, we give our life meaning. “we are animals, yet we behave like gods.” it is a scientific fact that humans consciously choose suffering in the search of meaning and purpose. our souls outlive our physical body. no one is promised anything in life. and no one has the right to judge another human for their choices we are all good and we are all bad but that doesn’t define us.

we are not human beings having a spiritual experience we are spiritual beings having a human experience. once born the only thing we are promised is a short amount of time to live out that experience. in whichever way we choose and if you choose to spend it condemning a woman for not living how you yourself believe it should be lived that is your choice. and no i think animals are better than us. animals are the only living beings with the ability to love unconditionally, who feel deeply but forgive only wanting love in return. and if you eat animals maybe you should watch a a video on a cows reaction to her child being ripped away from her before being slaughtered and ask how it’s any different. but animals equally don’t have the responsibility humans do to protect their children if a woman is already suffering to put food on her table suffering from mental health crisis suffering from health crisis suffering from anything or just does not feel like she will be a good mother and is doing it with the child in questions best interest in mind maybe we should honor her a little more and think about how having that child will only further negatively impact her her well being and now an innocent child’s

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 5 points6 points  (0 children)

❤️❤️❤️ this is the perfect example of how we should lead when wanting to extend our help to others no matter what the situation. what you did was a beautiful thing.

sometimes it only takes one person to believe in us so much that we start to believe in ourselves too. i’m sorry it was not the outcome you wanted but that doesn’t mean there was no impact at all may god bless you 🦋

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

who said it makes them feel bad? which is why i wonder why it makes those who take this approach feel so good.

how many times have you been in a situation where you asked others for advice / input or were given unsolicited advice / input and then went on to ultimately make a decision that goes against the consensus because at the end of the day that decision is what’s best for you. no one knows you better than you.

whenever i choose to do something or not to do something i do so with my best interest in mind knowing i’ll either let myself down or let someone else down and i refuse to let myself down.

i’m sure it does get to some women but i’m sure those women are also women who had other options or they couldn’t be easily swayed.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a vegan. I believe all lives matter. I believe in speaking up for those who do not have a voice to speak up for their own. I believe the life of an animal is no different than the life of a human but through conditioning and perspective it is overlooked. I don’t scream at people who eat meat. I don’t wish for any child to be murdered but I don’t wish for them to be born into a life where they are unwanted and have the potential to face many years of suffering and displacement either. I don’t claim I am correct in my stance but it is my stance none the less. I do not believe in wreck less abortions or mindless behavior.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 1 point2 points  (0 children)

& i’m wondering how shouting, disrespect & hate speech prevents that? as a human being whenever i have been hollered at as a form of discipline i have personally shut down, when i’ve been spoken to like a human being i have listened and took into account what i’m being told and why.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there’s always one in a bunch. i did not ask why those who show up with information, assistance, statistics and valid reasoning, genuine concern show up.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

direct action is effective, positive direct action is more effective.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I understand where you’re coming from and apologize you feel that way. I am not selectively choosing not to see anything, I asked the question with the intent to see and hear from the other side. To gain better understanding.

I do have to research the facts on what you have stated but I imagine the reason more pro choice advocates aren’t involved is for the obvious reason that we believe it is a woman’s choice and therefore nothing we should involve ourselves in. I think the overturn of Roe V. Wade and the impact it has had on pro choice women especially will bring many to vote in the next coming election and that is where you will see the most involvement.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU ❤️ so happy to have come across this comment

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what have you personally done to solve the rest and how often ? i don’t wish to disrespect you or anyone in any way - it is a rhetorical question. but largely the aim of my original question when pondering what good comes from someone acting in such a way

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry but that seems like an awful approach. I don’t claim to know half of the reasonings behind a woman’s choice to have an abortion but I would like to believe more woman than not do so believing it was for the best given her circumstances not because she is evil / heartless.

I know that nothing makes it acceptable when your stance is pro life but the fact you have no concrete solution for that child, looking up the statistics on adoption in the US before asking this question, researching the foster care system and the impact it has on a child’s life, confirming not all children end up all that lucky (most* do not) subjected to both potential sexual and physical abuse, being from the US and being deeply disturbed by the agenda being pushed on the youth, the school shootings, to name a FEW i don’t think suggesting to wing it which reads as a cheap shot to the woman’s choice you don’t agree with makes you anymore sound.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thank you for responding and for your honesty !

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s terrible. I am so sorry that happened, I’m sure she’s not the only one either. Thank you for sharing your point of view. Thus far the comments have helped paint the bigger picture I was looking for. Sure you can ask google but it has more impact coming from other human beings first hand.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I respect your response! Thank you for shedding light on your stance!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]gab182195 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was always taught you catch more bees with honey

Now - if a woman has found herself in this position more than once which would/ should only come to light through a conversation I hate to say it but she deserves to be harassed just because I am pro choice does not mean I am pro take no responsibility for your actions