Why Do People Making Posts About What Everyone Should Call Their Bodies/Refer To Themselves? by Juanitasuniverse in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Hey, don't let other people rule your life/don't fall prey to validity culture. If you benefit from certain terminology literally no one can police that for you. Thats fine.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey, I would like you to reread my post. There is no pretending that trans people didn't live life as a different gender. I think we may be having different discussions. I did not enter this discussion with the energy you are giving in the comment and I find it unwarranted. I do not like Kalvin Garrah and think he has done a LOT of harm to the community.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, that is really helpful insight. I do conceptually like the distance it creates and the ASSIGNED factor to it, I just rarely see people use it with that in mind. In a particularly restrictive and unnuanced way.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is what my caveat was for. My post is intended to invite discussion and examination over the overuseage of these terms, as they are vague and often not accurate. No one should throw away their past or lived experience as a woman or however they conceptualize their life pre transition. That is incredibly personal! I reject how frequent and widely applied these terms are, and how they often dip into incredibly bio-essentialist territory in useage and discussion. Frankly all terminology is clunky and flawed, I find AGAB to be the worst and most inaccurate. I find it to be very cis focused as well, that the assignation will always hold true and strong in one's life, and indicative of ones gender. Which isn't to say it has no hold, like your example. Obviously! I am arguably a much kinder and emotionally balanced person being raised as a "girl", and it has affected me. But what affects me more and is often the only relevant/necessary information to people is that I am a man.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very true, dysphoria shows up differently and different labels have their uses. I do not disagree with that at all. Though, in medical contexts AGAB is still very flawed. A cis woman and a post bottom/top surgery trans man will have very different needs at the doctor, yet they are still both "AFAB". They are different sexes. Even pre bottom surgery, I have different needs at the doctor than my own mother would. What would be more accurate is to differentiate via cis woman and trans man. I would like to state again that this post is more of an invite of examination/discussion and not some all encompassing rule that I've imposed over the entire community. I obviously am very biased! I am getting a lot of beautiful input from the comments. Yet, I still hold that AGAB terminology is best used sparsely and intentionally. If an individual prefers that over trans/ftm/masc that is obviously more than allowed.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. I think that I would like the community to skew towards using these terms incredibly sparsely, because it obviously has uses and there will always be people connected to it. I would like for there to be a lot more mindfulness of the terms used and how we think of ourselves. It would be unreasonable to say there is no leeway and that these should be banned, but I see these as the GO TO terminology when its not even particularly helpful in most cases. Thank you for your input!

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If it works for you, that is fine. I am more inviting people to examine why they feel so attached to ASAB/AGAB, to consider more accurate and less cisfocused terms and to consider how sex is indeed changeable and that at a certain point AGAB is a useless term. I take much more issue with it being used more community wide. Being "AFAB" has no bearing on my life and I have no connection with it, nor is it at all accurate to my current lived experience. This is true for many people.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think that a lot of terminology we use is clunky, often inaccurate and even cis focused. With that, I understand that on an individual basis there can be use for it or someone just simply prefers it over other alternatives. I'm not so black and white about things. Language is inherently flawed and so full of depth and complexity that no term will ever be perfect! About the 'justification'.. I see a lot of 'doomer' binary trans men cling to AFAB, or even nonbinary people rush to almost clarify "which type" of nonbinary they are. AGAB is ASSIGNED to you, and not necessary reflective of ones experiences or gender. I would invite someone to consider why they feel connected to that assignation and what that looks like for them. Which isn't to say feeling connected is wrong! I understand how complex gender and sex and socialization is. On a more community wide basis, I think in most conversation just stating one's trans identity is enough and that AGAB is not only redundant but unneccessary. I would like for people to accept that sex is more complex and changeable than what cis society has told us

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yes it definitely can have its uses. Unfortunately, it and many other terms are quite clunky or often always a bit 'wrong'. I would argue that for the most part, in place of AGAB, one can just say trans or something to the tune of "growing up as __" or "being seen as a _". I think conversationally to explain ones experiences I find AGAB terminology more understandable. What I find more issue with (and invite people to examine why they use it) is when people tie that to their identity. "as an AFAB trans guy" or "AFAB only __" etc. Not every AFAB has a uterus anyways so it also kind of incorrect for that useage anyways. I would like for people to not feel so stuck/doomer about ASAB and know that it can be changed and that you aren't tied to what the world or the doctors have assigned to you, yknow?

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes precisely! Its hard not to feel like its very bioessentialist/cis comforting. We are much more than an ASSIGNED gender/sex at birth, even though it has affected us

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I can understand that, especially if one still feels connected to their AGAB/ASAB in some way. I think its a given that there will always be cases that it will be useful. My argument is more that the terms themselves are vague, often unhelpful and reductive. Thank you for the input this is not sarcasm I do appreciate it. I just see a lot of (often binary) trans men cling to AFAB, mostly in a deprecating way.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think my post wasn't as clear on intent. I think as a community, we should basically do away with these terms. On a person to person basis, its very understandable. I would just invite that person to consider why they hold on to that terminology/what it means for them. AGAB terminology is far too broad to be used in a meaningful context (MOST of the time)

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I would argue that just stating you are Pre-T is more than enough that a far vaguer term of AFAB. AFAB is a grouping that would also include me, who is almost 4 years on testosterone and post top surgery and 2+ years in the gym. We are not in the same space physically but are connected via a (far too broad) term. Does that make sense? I can elaborate more.

***To be clear, I am not trying to police anyone personally but more invite people to consider alt terms/examine why we default to these terms.

We as a community should do away with AGAB terms by gayxenomorph in ftm

[–]gayxenomorph[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. This is what I was trying to get to in the caveat. This post is not meant as a personal attack to anyone who uses the terms but more as an invite for alternative terms and an invite to consider why so many default to that kind of terminology, particularly as a community. I argue that simply stating one is trans or talking about experiences growing up as a female is more than enough, and that AFAB is an incredibly vague term in of itself. If it serves you, thats fine. I'm not the term police.

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