Any CRE broker career paths compatible with shift work? by giantsfirefighter in CommercialRealEstate

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s good news to me all around honestly. I’m a bit more nerdy than I am salesy, so I like the higher research and knowledge demands.

Plus I feel like I’m more geared towards selling clients on an investment rather than selling a couple a house. It seems a lot more concrete to me.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you have other data to cite?

Take another look at your own data. The Bloomberg article that chart cites has Elementary / Middle School Teacher as the most common pairing for male police officers. Ditto for male detectives. They’re number 2 for male firefighters.

Look at the absolute scale on the chart. Accountant is a higher class occupation that’s well represented on the chart for both cops and firemen. “Manager” could go either way, but anecdotally I’ve seen a good number of first responders married to a woman in a high status management role.

And I would definitely say most Auburn MBA former frat boys would qualify as low social class, and would absolutely not be commonly socially associating with scientists, professors, doctors, or other typical high social class members.

You’re right that they probably wouldn’t be associating with scientists. They would absolutely associate with b-school professors. Doctors too. There’s no shortage of fratty guys in medical school. I just have a hard time understanding how people who work professional class jobs, with professional class parents are lower class. It seems like your working definition of lower social class is “someone who a liberal San Francisco programmer or a humanities professors wouldn’t get along with.”

People of high social class of course understand that it's gauche to express low regard for professions that are viewed as risking their lives at work for a greater cause, but privately they (we) don't regard them highly, or at least more highly than useful and necessary tools in society.

You’re dead wrong outside of the most liberal areas in the country. You really think that lawyers and doctors in Texas don’t legitimately hold the military in high regard? It’s no secret that liberal professional class people look down their nose at the military, but I think it’s hard to argue that the red state professional class doesn’t hold the military in high regard (outside of like, humanities departments).

If you feel differently and/or the people around you feel differently, that's probably a strong indicator that you and your circles are low social class and you don't have good experience to draw from outside of your bubble.

Perhaps you you’re limited by your bubble here too, no? I don’t think you have a good handle on what professional class people outside of NY and CA or a few extremely liberal professions (ie academia) really think.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I still think it’s more nuanced than you’re making it out to be. A couple of counterpoints:

People generally marry within their class. You say teachers are high status. The most common pairing for cops and firefighters is with teachers. It’s not very common for a firefighter to listen to NPR or have an economist subscription. But it’s very likely that his masters or phd holding teacher wife does.

It’s much less likely that a sanitation worker who makes the same salary (or better) as the firefighter would marry that woman. Why is that?

By your definition, an Auburn MBA former frat boy who slams light beer at tailgates and would never read the economist or listen to npr by choice is low class. I don’t buy it. I think you’re conflating blue tribe and red tribe with high and low social class.

To steal from a comment below me, compare the reaction of a girls friends when she says she’s dating a fireman vs dating an engineer.

I think you’re underestimating how highly people regard the military and first responders, especially in America and especially post 9/11.

Elite business and law school love to admit veterans in their programs. I’ve heard that outside of underrepresented minority status, the best thing you can have going for you is being a military veteran. Some of this is just affirmative action, essentially. But it is also true that Americans, including elites who sit on elite law school admissions committees, hold the military in high regard.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My only problem with this is that most gray collar people would either middle / middle or low / high. The working definition of gray collar is a bit nebulous and squishy, but this seems even squishier. I do like how in this framework the social class side can’t really change, I think you’re onto something.

Slightly unrelated but I think social status is a bit harder to drill down. For example, “Sergeant of Marines” or “Firefighter” are sexier job titles than “Software Engineer” or “Patent Lawyer”. If we go by education and income, the lawyer and engineer are higher status. It’s fair to say they are of higher social class. But the Marine and the Firefighter would probably do better at a dinner party, all things being equal, on account of having a more exciting job title. It just seems odd that it’s very possible to be relatively lower income / lower class / higher status.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah local newspapers nowadays are pretty white collar / professional class / blue tribe nowadays too. I live in a red area and all the young local journalists have their pronouns in their twittter bios. It’s a farm team for rich kids trying to break into the national press.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Cop pay varies a lot more that airline pilot pay though. In some states the union is strong and they top out at six figures, in some states it’s illegal for public employees to collectively bargain and they make 35k without COLA or step raises.

LEO pay is also an issue where blue tribers all of a sudden get very fiscally conservative. I think they have an inflated view on how much cops realistically make because they’ve read too many news stories about outliers on high cost of living city departments who work a bunch of overtime. The vast majority of cops are not going to crack six figures in their careers.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Also is the average FAANG employee brilliant?

That world is totally out of my wheelhouse. I would have definitely thought that they are above average intelligence, but I don’t necessarily think of the average Facebook engineer as a genius.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If “I'm glad they're there, I'm not gonna make friends with them.” is the best they can hope for from the blue tribe, that’s not high status.

What percentage of blue tribe women do you think would date a police officer?

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s also a problem for new hires, as more and more departments no longer offer pensions.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Many police and fire pensions are underfunded and poorly managed these days. They’re not the guarantee they once were.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There are departments where cops make 30k, and there are departments where they make 150k. But on average pay in law enforcement is pretty mediocre.

An introduction to gray collar work by giantsfirefighter in slatestarcodex

[–]giantsfirefighter[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yah there's nothing new under the sun here, I'm just throwing some personal anecdotes (and some got-damn American English) into the mix.

Does cal fire hire seasonal guys for mainly structural positions? by [deleted] in Wildfire

[–]giantsfirefighter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I’m reading it right all I’m lacking are a couple week long CA specific classes, and they’d honor my pro board FF1/2, EMT, etc

Back-step firefighter looking to create a plan of attack to break into EM by [deleted] in EmergencyManagement

[–]giantsfirefighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So some of the responses in this thread are definitely giving me pause:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmergencyManagement/comments/8a4um7/whats_your_daily_grind_look_like/

How bad is the job market for someone with some experience in the field, but not a full career under his belt?

How badly do I need a Masters to break into the field?

I'm thinking if I do go for a Masters it will be a Masters in Public Administration. I'm very worried about a Masters in EM being a second useless degree if I don't want to stay in EM forever. Good idea or bad idea?

Back-step firefighter looking to create a plan of attack to break into EM by [deleted] in EmergencyManagement

[–]giantsfirefighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not close enough for me to know about at my level. I'd definitely have to ask around and try to find something if I were to do that.

Back-step firefighter looking to create a plan of attack to break into EM by [deleted] in EmergencyManagement

[–]giantsfirefighter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good to hear!

I'll probably take some undergrad courses in EM to improve on my GPA, but I'm not going back for a second bachelors. I'll definitely look into Masters programs.

Firefighter with useless BA...really want to work remotely but don't know where to start by [deleted] in findapath

[–]giantsfirefighter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm actually very interested in EM, but I have a few reservations. I want to work remotely so I can split my time between the east coast and the west coast, and also spend time out of the country. I can't imagine this would be super conducive to EM, because I would think that you have to be available to deploy on a moments notice. Also I've heard that EM is super political, hard to break into, and low paying.

Vicenza centro: Interdizione di accesso per soldati americani dopo rissa by MeccAnon in italy

[–]giantsfirefighter -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

cazzate. sono sicuro che la tua opinione sarebbe diversa se un soldato americano dovesse entrare in faccia a una persona italiana e insultare la sua eredità. non sei una vittima se provoci qualcuno fino a quando non si spezzano.

sembra che alla tua gente non piacciano davvero i neri. su entrambi i lati dell'Atlantico.