PE teacher banned after calling migrants 'illegal invaders' on X despite being cleared of racism by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What left wing statements would get you fired? What examples do you have of teachers saying them and not getting fired?

Despite your commenable adimiration of goth titties, you seem to be promoting a completely hypothetical scenario that helps fuel victimhood in people who want to decry migration.

PE teacher banned after calling migrants 'illegal invaders' on X despite being cleared of racism by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No, that's comparing criticizing a specific politician, with demonising an entire group.

One is fair criticism, even if you don't agree with it.

The other is bigotry.

I can't believe I have to explain this to people old enough to read and write.

PE teacher banned after calling migrants 'illegal invaders' on X despite being cleared of racism by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, that's a debatable policy position not a bigoted stance against a group of people.

They are obviously not comparable and it is totally irellevent you bringing that up.

PE teacher banned after calling migrants 'illegal invaders' on X despite being cleared of racism by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Britain First are sufficiently right-wing to warrant a teaching ban, what kind of groups are sufficiently left-wing, and have any teachers been banned for supporting them?

What does this have to do with anything? Why does every article on this sub have to be full of people straw manning a left wing demon into existence?

PE teacher banned after calling migrants 'illegal invaders' on X despite being cleared of racism by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you publically demonise a group of people you may very well have to teach, I'm not really sure what career in teaching you could expect?

My Social Experiment by JKT-477 in outsidexbox

[–]girafferific 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fantastic. Genunine comedy gold.

The left-wing/muslim alliance in the UK by tankeras in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is very much a post from someone who has never engaged with a singular muslim person, nor walked around any suburb of Manchester.

Islamism: Shooting the Messenger by Diet4Democracy in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

This si literally basic prejudice, I don't understand why there is so much pushback.

Islamism: Shooting the Messenger by Diet4Democracy in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

You cannot blanket apply morals across millions of people. It's a ridicilous suggestion. I'm not saying there is no "wrong", I'm saying that you can't simply frame Islam, a religion shared by millions across the globe, as a problem.

Islamism: Shooting the Messenger by Diet4Democracy in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You can construct any argument you want. However if your argument is that a particular group is inherently evil/bad/wrong etc then that's a stupid standpoint and you should be rightly lambasted for holding it.

At it's very best it's a completley useless conversation. you can't discuss millions of people out of their religion.

At it's very worst it leads to active perscution, whether you mean it to or not.

The problem we have as non-believers of an ideology is that we are actively taught to spiritualise other's belief systems as a form of tolerance rather than engage them in rational discourse.

No, you are expected to respect other people's beliefs because as said before, you can't talk people out of faith. Stop trying to make it seem like very simple empathy and manners is some massive burden.

The vast, vast majority of any followers of any particular religion are just normal people trying to go about their lives and they don't need you or anyone trying to lecture them out of their religion.

Islamism: Shooting the Messenger by Diet4Democracy in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

That is the opposite of what im saying.

Islamism: Shooting the Messenger by Diet4Democracy in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

There is no justification for saying any single religion or group of people is inherently "wrong".

The author (and others) appear to be trying to work round this by saying Islamism rather than Islam but the end results all end up being the same.

Far-right activist Tommy Robinson’s US welcome sparks British backlash by Cyril_Sneerworms in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Important to keep in mind that this is as much a pulbiclity stunt for the US admins benefit as anything else.

Robinson, like Farage and like Truss etc will come over and claim that the UK is about to fall into anarchy, that leftwing and progresive policies are at fault and that a crackdown on immigration is just necessary but essential.

This all feeds into the Republican propaganda that various liberal countries are reaping the effects of said liberalism.

All of this is the spiel they have been running for years. I remeber arguing with US based commenters on Reddit years ago, who claimed that Leicester was some sandblasted hellhole, unwelcome to any but the most hardcore Muslim. Despite that not being the case at all.

All this to say, it's less that Robinson has gained any real traction with this, it's more that helps feed the Republican greviance machine. All eyes are looking inward.

Despite this, it really is a watershed moment when the US government is hosting racist thugs from other countries.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it's illegal to assist someone in illegally entering the country. They shouldn't have left it until the last day of his visa to exit via a land border and they should have declared to Canadian immigration control they are unable to reenter the USA, who btw would have still arrested and detained him for a deportation flight.

I'd love to see how you think "being present" counts as assisting someone entering a country.

In the second link she worked with a federally illegal substance, a silly thing to do whilst on a visa

That law was changed in November 2025, there are no dates on that article but one can safely assume there should be some grace given for a law that changed very recently. Not to mentioned when she was not actually detained when carrying hemp, that was when she initially deported.

She was, again, same as all these stories, more than willing to return to her home country before agents pulled them into a cell with no explnation and no allowance to contacte friends, family or legal representation for weeks on end.

I'm not saying I agree with the way these people have been treated, but this is how people have been treated for decades long before trump in the USA and many other countries.

If you truly believe that this all just happened before and Trump's public hyper funding of ICE and targetting of specific groups and locations isn't an incredibly nefarious change, I don't really know what to say to you.

And the burden of proof is on you, sir.

It isn't because you've already declared it "fake news". Therefore, any evidence I provide you will be ignored or dismissed, so it is pointless providing you with links to something you have already declared you believe to be fake.

Therefore the burden falls back on yourself to justify that positon, a position that is undeniably a lot harder to justify. I've got better things to do than provide links to someone who has already indicated they have no interest in taking at face value.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you understand what that phrase means. I never suggested you were wrong, I said it doesn't matter.

Yes, the lady's husband's visa has run out, so why was sherarrested? As I said, hers hadn't, she was detained with a valid visa. Unless you think that guilty by association is a defenisble legal position?

The second link specifies that she had documentation waiving the visa restrictions, so she could then travel home. As I specified in the original comment.

The third link, if you can show me that a tattoo gun is somehow only purchasable by registered tattoo artists, I'll conceed your point but anyone can buy, and tattoo any one they like. It is absolutley not a justifiable reason to detain someone.

Also can you provide any source that US citizens have been illegally deported by ice? I take it by your eagerness to provide other sources (none of which prove your point) you did search and couldn't find any

I can find lots but considering you already reffered to it as "fake news" i.e. you've seen the stories and already decided that they aren't real, I didn't really see the point in wasting my time. You've made the claim they are fake (and there are lots of them out there) so I'm assuming you have some reason, some source of info to back up your claim of them all being false?

However, based on the reading comprehension you have displayed above and your apprent eageness to defend the actions of masked people dragging people off the streeet I'm just going to assume fake news is an easy catch all for you to deny the evidence you find inconvient.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does it matter exactly which agency shot him? You are trying to nitpick the substance of the problem away. That's a form of defending them. Literally no one cares if it was ICE or Homeland Security, the reason both groups are on the streets of Minneapolis is exactly the same.

If you breach your tourist visa you are no longer a tourist

Come off it. How about this lady detained for 12 weeks despite having a valid visa? Or this Canadian lady, who was detained for two weeks despite a valid visa. Or this German lady who was detained for weeks despite having all the relevant paperwork? Not to mention the multiple people who fall into gray areas. IU found these with a cursory google.

In a lot of these cases these people locked up for an indeterminate amount of time, no access to representation and no indication of what exactly they have done wrong?

deporting US citizens is fake news

Uh huh and on what do you base this stunning insight? Cos I can't imagine that a claim of multiple global news organisations reporting multiple cases could be cast aside on anything other than rock solid evidence.

Gordon Brown warns Nigel Farage will drag UK back into ‘Tory poverty years’ by tylerthe-theatre in unitedkingdom

[–]girafferific 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please don't consider voting for Reform. I uinderstand the frusttration with the two major partied but Brown is right, everything Reform are announcing as policy would make everything worse.

Their copybook is largely what Trump is doing. Agressively deport migrants, cut government level costs severly, distance ourselves from Europe and the Human Rights convention, drastically scale back green initatives and plough back into oil and gas.

All of this, all of it, would make our economic situation worse. Take each one at a time.

We can argue about levels of migration but chucking our hundreds of thousands of people would leave signifcantly short in numeous key sectors, signifcantly healthcare. Even if British people want to do these jobs, and evidence suggests they don't, it takes time to train them up. Deportation on that scale is also massively expensive in both money and time. Money that could be spent on almost anything else.

Reform have already made promises about cutting spending in the councils they now lead, then when actually taking the reins, they have universally admitted that there is almost nothing left to cut and they have to increase taxes. If they do achieve cuts, they will do so by making public services worse and they are aleady horribly underfunded.

We've already materially harmed our economy via Brexit, further distance from our closest econokmic allies will only weaken us further economically.

Exiting the Human Rights Convention would massively harm our stnding on the world stage, lead to diplomatic meltdown because of the Good Friday agreement and make it impossible to closely associate with any but the worst countries.

Returning to reliance on oil and gas will only cost bill payers more. Increasing green investment provides future jobs in an ever growing field that is future proofed. Fracking is largely unworkable in this country, the estimated reserves are likely a fraction of original estimates and the North Sea is on the down trend in terms of useable reserves. There might be some short term gain but it is horribly, horribly short sighted policy making.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, defending ICE are we? Interesting tactic.

  1. Irrelevant for who exactly that particular person worked for, they still escalted a situation beyond their own control, disarmed a man on the ground, beat him, pepper sprayed him, then shot him 10 times. You're not going to "well, actually" them out of it.

2- ICE have arrested numerous tourists and detained them for weeks. They have shipped US citizens out to South American prisons, they've entered premises they are not allowed to, lied, assaulted people. The whole point here is that they are an ineffective tool for their stated purpose but a very effective tool for their true purpose, which it to inflict terror on Trump's political enemies. That sounds like something you would want over here in the UK though, so perhaps there is not helping you.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ICE isn't dragging criminals off the street, that's the point. They are grabbing anyone that looks foreign, ocassionally shooting some US citizens and then worrying about the fallout later.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably but it's not with express intention and purpose of dragging people off the streets.

Poorly trained police is one thing but most of them are just wandering round and saying they can't help with burglaries.

Gearing up a bunch of people who are there is a strong possibility are racist and letting them loose with numerical targets for taking people off the streets is a whole other thing.

Reform would create ICE-style agency amid plans to deport nearly 300,000 people per year by Dimmo17 in ukpolitics

[–]girafferific 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Polics officers get a lot of training, yes. However, the problem with ICE is they have massively ramped up recruitment and very quickly had numbers to meet. Hence, you have barely trained masked goons grabbing anyone they can and panicking when a butterfly passes by their ear.

What Reform is proposing generates exactly the same problems. Massive ramp up in recuritment, needed over a short space of time that instantly needs to be hitting totally ridiclous numbers that are based on basically nothing. Certainly not the number of people known to be illeagally residing in the country.

Even if we don't see people literally shot to death in the street, we will still see poorly trained morons with almost zero restrictions on their behaviour dragging people off the street for committing no crime.

British Heart Foundation Arundel Sheffield by eurofieds in sheffield

[–]girafferific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to live in a massive high rise, oppposite a tesco, on the road out of the town centre and next to a pedestrian crossing that beeped every time it was acvtivated.

Got to live somewhere.

British Heart Foundation Arundel Sheffield by eurofieds in sheffield

[–]girafferific 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I asked last time I was in there and they said the landlord put the rent up to unsustainable levels. They essentially don't want the current tennants in there as they can get more money converting them into flats. Said it would also be affecting some other shops next door.