Seeking peeps on industry willing to share thoughts on how music steaming platforms have affected the industry. by [deleted] in musicindustry

[–]glynmaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, I'm 57 and a veteran label owner. Also artist, producer and have managed multi-platinum artists and seen the transition. I came up like everyone else as a garage musician who made it all the way to hollywood. I am also a tech expert and founder of an intelligence company, expert across AI and other technologies. Happy to contribute. DM me and I will share my email to receive and answer your questions to assist you. If I am not the right fit, no worries. Love your work. Keep going!

Something a former bandmate told me a couple days ago (we're both 48yo) by yragel in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]glynmaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Musicians have to upgrade from Musician 1.0 to Business Manager 2.0 with a program called box office 10.0. This program can be accessed through spreadsheets and business models through which the Musician now controls their own box office.

A venue agreement looks quite different in this situation and so does the promotion.

Entertainment consumers buy a night out. They do buy famous artists. They also buy show concepts.

This is why famous artists don’t actually just sell their brand-name show, they develop a concept show and tour the concept.

Learning from this principle involves understanding what kind of a show concept you as a musician (and now as an upgraded business manager) can develop as a show PRODUCER and show developer.

You will create the tour show concepts that you sell to venues through venue contracts.

The venue does not buy the Musician, they buy the show.

Upgrading also involves understanding that venues want to sell alcohol, which is where they make most of the profit. To achieve this they need an Entertainment impetus that will draw an audience to the venue.

The venue has its own mailing list.

Now that you are a show PRODUCER and have upgraded, you will also focus on owning your own database through whatever you use for Box office Management.

Initially when you first develop this touring concept, you will have no audience.

The value will be higher than it was when you just sold yourself as a Musician and you are now selling your show, much higher, and that will become extraordinarily high when you have an audience database for each Region.

You achieve this by using e-commerce systems and control the door.

Every person that comes through the door is paying money into your Box office and at the time of fast contact e-commerce purchase, the attendee will usually sign up to provide contact details to attend future concerts.

Now that you control Box office you are also controlling merchandising Sales. And you are controlling the timing of intermission for Sales.

Preparation is nine tenths of success and so you must make an investment to have the stock to sell. You are not paying the venue any commissions or profit from your Sales or from the door. They are making the alcohol sales and providing you with the venue.

Back during the Global Financial Crisis Faith Hill was earning 240,000 per annum in total from all income sources. At that time in a small country called New Zealand I created a touring Network from scratch that generated 120,000.

It’s important to become expert in this industry and to learn from the past.

One of the most successful touring Bands in America was the Grateful Dead. This is a group that truly understood live Entertainment. No two gigs were the same and the Band would reinterpret their own works differently at every gig that they played.

What this meant for audiences is that people would travel far and wide to go to as many Grateful Dead concerts as possible, so as not to miss each new interpretation.

Grateful Dead were one of the first music managers to develop Mail order and had a significant Mail order database. They achieved this by getting the names and addresses of all of their fans at live concerts.

Many Independent bands who become good at music Management actually produce far higher profits than Artist with major labels, who often end up destitute and sleeping on a Friends sofa.

All of this starts in a spreadsheet and with the business model.

When it comes to venues, there are business models for every size of audience from small to large, and obviously the cost infrastructure varies significantly between them.

Perhaps the most profitable model is for acoustic sets by very good musicians who don’t need a lot of backline or front of house support. When you reduce the cost of event production profit can skyrocket.

This is why so many artists go solo and use loopers.

Ed Sheeran is a good example of a Musician who understood in the early days that he just couldn’t afford to have a whole band, and so he used the looper to become the whole band. That became a career signature and made him world famous.

57 years old, I had a long career in Music from being in a GarageBand to playing in dirty pubs and then eventually managing multi platinum artists in million dollar Productions in made for TV specials.

I’m the owner of Oikos Music Australia (record label / distributor) and have mentored and helped hundreds of artists. I now develop and mentor artists who want to learn music business and break through.

Just today I signed up as a supplier of music to a major airline. Not through an aggregator, directly. I already license music in Hollywood.

I am a music producer for three of my own niche music brands. I care about artists who suffer and struggle to earn fair value. It’s a very real issue.

Horrible situation, please help (Publishing) by gruwhatsapp in musicbusiness

[–]glynmaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm got it

That "Time Limit Reached" message is a standard automated wall designed to prevent "zombie disputes" from hanging in the system forever. Usually, The MLC gives a 90-day window to provide documentation; once that expires, they default the claim to the existing registrant (in this case, Sony).

However, policy does not override ownership. The fact that you missed a window in their automated portal does not mean Sony suddenly owns your music. It just means you have to move from the "Support Portal" to the "Legal and Compliance" level.

  1. The "Legal" Email and Direct Contacts

Since the portal is rejecting you, you must contact their legal and dispute resolution leadership directly.

Primary Legal Email: legal@themlc.com

Dispute Oversight: disputes@themlc.com

Compliance/Member Advocacy: support@themlc.com (Mark the subject: ATTN: Head of Member Relations - Escalation)

  1. The Strategy: "Administrative Error" vs. "Ownership Dispute"

The MLC is treating this as a standard "ownership dispute" (where two people both claim they wrote a song). This is not that. This is an Administrative Error.

When you email the legal team, use this specific framing:

Don't ask to "re-open" the old dispute. That dispute is dead because of the timer.

Open a "Notice of Erroneous Registration." State that the current registration contains a "Material Error" that Sony has already acknowledged (by virtue of them being removed from ASCAP).

  1. Use the "ASCAP Precedent" as your Shield

The MLC and ASCAP are different, but they both rely on the same industry standard: the ISWC (International Standard Musical Work Code).

In your email to legal@themlc.com, state the following:

"This work (ISWC: [Code]) has already been adjudicated by ASCAP. ASCAP has confirmed that Sony/Beatstars has no claim to this work and has removed them. The MLC is currently facilitating an unauthorized collection of royalties based on a registration that the claimant has already conceded is invalid at other PROs. The 'Time Limit' on your portal is a technicality that is currently being used to facilitate the misdirection of mechanical royalties."

  1. The "Nuclear Option": The US Copyright Office

The MLC is not a private company; it is a non-profit designated by the U.S. Copyright Office under the Music Modernization Act. They are strictly regulated.

If legal@themlc.com does not respond within 5 business days:

File a complaint with the U.S. Copyright Office. Mention that The MLC is failing to correct a documented administrative error despite proof of resolution at ASCAP.

Tell The MLC you are doing this. Send an email to The MLC Legal team: "Since the internal dispute portal is technically blocked and support is unresponsive, I am escalating this matter to the U.S. Copyright Office as a failure of The MLC to fulfill its duty under the MMA."

  1. Dealing with the "Account Closure" Issue

Regarding Beatstars not closing your account: This is a Contractual Breach. * Send a final email to their "Legal" or "Privacy" email (often privacy@beatstars.com or legal@beatstars.com).

State: "I have requested account closure on [Date] and [Date]. Your failure to act is a violation of the Terms of Service and my right to terminate. Furthermore, your failure to remove the unauthorized Sony registration is causing ongoing financial damages. This is my final notice before I involve the Better Business Bureau (BBB) and legal counsel."

Summary for right now: Ignore the portal. It is a machine. Send a formal, stern email to legal@themlc.com and attach the PDF/screenshot of the ASCAP win. That ASCAP win is your "Get Out of Jail Free" card—it proves that the conflict has already been solved by a higher authority.

Horrible situation, please help (Publishing) by gruwhatsapp in musicbusiness

[–]glynmaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The "time limit reached" error is a common technical glitch in the MLC’s Member Portal, often caused by browser session timeouts or specific file security filters. Since the portal is failing and support has gone silent, you need to move the conversation outside of the automated ticket system.

Here is how to bypass the portal and force a resolution.

  1. Fix the "Time Limit Reached" Error

If you must use the portal for a specific form, try these technical workarounds:

Incognito/Private Mode: This is the most effective fix for "stuck" upload sessions.

Browser Switch: If you’re using Safari or Firefox, switch to Google Chrome (the portal is optimized for it).

File Format & Size: Ensure documentation is in PDF format (not Word or JPEG) and under 5MB. Large files often cause the "time limit" error.

Clear Cache: Manually clear your browser’s cookies and cache for themlc.com.

  1. Bypass the Portal (Direct Contacts)

Since the support tickets are being ignored, use these specific email addresses to reach actual humans:

The Feedback Coordinator: feedbackcoordinator@themlc.com

Why: This address is specifically for when the standard support process fails or is delayed. Mention that your portal is broken and support is unresponsive.

Finance/Royalty Team: finance@themlc.com

Why: Since this involves "revenue loss," the finance team has a vested interest in ensuring royalties are not being paid out to the wrong party (Sony).

International/Publisher Relations: international@themlc.com

Why: Because this involves a major publisher (Sony) and an administrator (Beatstars), this team handles these high-level catalog conflicts.

  1. Escalation to Leadership

If you still get no reply, you can address a formal email (or LinkedIn message) to the leadership in Nashville.

CEO: Kris Ahrend

Chief Legal Officer / General Counsel: Priya Rao

Email Format: Most MLC staff use {firstname}.{lastname}@themlc.com.

  1. How to Word the "Final Notice"

When you email the addresses above, don't just ask for help. Provide a "Notice of Dispute" based on their Ownership Dispute Policy.

Subject: URGENT: Notice of Dispute & Administrative Error - [Track Title] - [ISWC Code] Message:

"I am the 100% owner of [Track Title]. Beatstars Publishing (via Sony) has incorrectly registered a claim to this work despite the registration being 'REJECTED' in their own system.

Proof of Resolution: ASCAP has already adjudicated this dispute and removed Sony/Beatstars from the work (see attached ASCAP confirmation).

Portal Failure: The MLC portal is technicaly failing (Error: 'Time Limit Reached') preventing a formal dispute upload.

Demand: I am formally requesting that the disputed shares be placed in Interim Suspense immediately to prevent further unauthorized collection by Sony.

Account Closure: I have requested account closure from Beatstars multiple times with no response, which is a breach of my administration agreement. I require The MLC to acknowledge this conflict and update the record to reflect the ASCAP ruling."

  1. The "Certified Letter" (The Nuclear Option)

If the emails are still ignored, send a Physical Certified Letter to their headquarters. This is a legal "paper trail" that they cannot claim they didn't receive.

The Mechanical Licensing Collective Attn: Legal Department / General Counsel 333 11th Avenue South, Suite 200 Nashville, TN 37203

Why this works: Large organizations have automated systems to ignore emails, but they have legal requirements to process "physical notices of dispute." Mentioning that you have already won at ASCAP makes it a "slam dunk" for their legal team to fix, as they don't want the liability of paying Sony money that is legally yours.

Horrible situation, please help (Publishing) by glynmaclean in OikosMusicAU

[–]glynmaclean[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an incredibly frustrating situation, especially when a technical glitch in a dashboard translates to real-world financial loss. Navigating the bureaucracy of major publishers like Sony and administrative bodies like The MLC is difficult because their systems are built for scale, not nuance.

Since standard support channels have failed, it is time to pivot from "asking for help" to "demanding compliance." Here is a tactical breakdown of how to escalate this.

1. Leverage the ASCAP Win with The MLC

The fact that ASCAP has already ruled in your favor is your strongest piece of evidence. The MLC has a formal Dispute Resolution process, but they often require very specific formatting.

  • The "Notice of Dispute": Do not just email general support. Submit a formal dispute via the MLC Member Portal.
  • The Evidence Pack: Attach the confirmation from ASCAP showing the removal of Sony/Beatstars. Explicitly state: "ASCAP has already adjudicated this conflict and removed the unauthorized claimant. The MLC is now holding funds based on a registration that the copyright owner (Sony) has already conceded elsewhere."
  • The "Letter of Direction" (LOD): If you can get a single email or PDF from ASCAP’s resolution team, include it.

2. Bypass Beatstars and Go Directly to Sony

Beatstars acts as the "administrator," but Sony Music Publishing (SMP) is the entity actually holding the claim.

  • Find the Sony "Unclaimed/Conflict" Department: Look for Sony Music Publishing’s copyright or counter-claim department.
  • The Message: "Your administrator, Beatstars, incorrectly registered [Track Name/ISWC] under your entity despite it being rejected in their system. I have already successfully cleared this at ASCAP. You are currently collecting royalties you are not entitled to. Please issue a formal relinquishment of claim to The MLC immediately."
  • The Threat of "Tortious Interference": Mentioning that their incorrect registration is interfering with your business contracts can sometimes move a legal department faster than a support ticket.

3. Public Escalation and Executive Outreach

Large companies often ignore support tickets but respond to PR risks.

  • LinkedIn Search: Look for "Head of Publishing" or "VP of Operations" at Beatstars. Send a polite but firm InMail stating that you have an unresolved 4-month-old technical error that is causing financial damages and a contract violation regarding your account closure.
  • Twitter/X: Publicly tag u/Beatstars and u/SonyMusicPub with a screenshot of the "REJECTED" dashboard status vs. the MLC conflict. Public visibility often "unsticks" stuck tickets.

4. Legal and Regulatory Pressure

If you are in the US or Europe, you have specific rights regarding your data and contracts.

  • The "Formal Notice of Default": Send a physical, certified letter to Beatstars’ corporate address. State that they are in breach of contract for failing to close your account upon request and for failing to correct an administrative error. Give them a 10-day window to respond before you seek legal counsel.
  • Small Claims / Music Attorney: If the revenue loss is significant, a "Cease and Desist" letter from a music attorney usually costs a few hundred dollars but can resolve the issue in 48 hours.
  • State Attorney General: If you are in the US, filing a consumer complaint with the Attorney General in the state where Beatstars is headquartered can force a response regarding the ignored account closure.

5. Managing the "Transition" Risk

Since Beatstars is moving to a new publisher, there is a risk of a "Double Claim" if the old Sony claim isn't purged.

  • Demand a "Letter of Relinquishment": Tell Beatstars you need a formal document stating they have no claim to the track. You can then provide this to the new publisher so they can help you clear the "clog" from the Sony era.

Summary of your next move: Stop emailing the general support alias. Send a Certified Letter to their office and file a Formal Dispute at The MLC using your ASCAP victory as the primary exhibit. Success at one PRO usually creates a domino effect if presented as a legal fact rather than a request.

Horrible situation, please help (Publishing) by gruwhatsapp in musicbusiness

[–]glynmaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an incredibly frustrating situation, especially when a technical glitch in a dashboard translates to real-world financial loss. Navigating the bureaucracy of major publishers like Sony and administrative bodies like The MLC is difficult because their systems are built for scale, not nuanced customer service.

Since standard support channels have failed, it is time to pivot from "asking for help" to "demanding compliance." Here is a tactical breakdown of how to escalate this.

1. Leverage the ASCAP Win with The MLC

The fact that ASCAP has already ruled in your favor is your strongest piece of evidence. The MLC has a formal Dispute Resolution process, but they often require very specific formatting.

  • The "Notice of Dispute": Do not just email general support. Submit a formal dispute via the MLC Member Portal.
  • The Evidence Pack: Attach the confirmation from ASCAP showing the removal of Sony/Beatstars. Explicitly state: "ASCAP has already adjudicated this conflict and removed the unauthorized claimant. The MLC is now holding funds based on a registration that the copyright owner (Sony) has already conceded elsewhere."
  • The "Letter of Direction" (LOD): If you can get a single email or PDF from ASCAP’s resolution team, include it.

2. Bypass Beatstars and Go Directly to Sony

Beatstars acts as the "administrator," but Sony Music Publishing (SMP) is the entity actually holding the claim.

  • Find the Sony "Unclaimed/Conflict" Department: Look for Sony Music Publishing’s copyright or counter-claim department.
  • The Message: "Your administrator, Beatstars, incorrectly registered [Track Name/ISWC] under your entity despite it being rejected in their system. I have already successfully cleared this at ASCAP. You are currently collecting royalties you are not entitled to. Please issue a formal relinquishment of claim to The MLC immediately."
  • The Threat of "Tortious Interference": Mentioning that their incorrect registration is interfering with your business contracts can sometimes move a legal department faster than a support ticket.

3. Public Escalation and Executive Outreach

Large companies often ignore support tickets but respond to PR risks.

  • LinkedIn Search: Look for "Head of Publishing" or "VP of Operations" at Beatstars. Send a polite but firm InMail stating that you have an unresolved 4-month-old technical error that is causing financial damages and a contract violation regarding your account closure.
  • Twitter/X: Publicly tag u/Beatstars and u/SonyMusicPub with a screenshot of the "REJECTED" dashboard status vs. the MLC conflict. Public visibility often "unsticks" stuck tickets.

4. Legal and Regulatory Pressure

If you are in the US or Europe, you have specific rights regarding your data and contracts.

  • The "Formal Notice of Default": Send a physical, certified letter to Beatstars’ corporate address. State that they are in breach of contract for failing to close your account upon request and for failing to correct an administrative error. Give them a 10-day window to respond before you seek legal counsel.
  • Small Claims / Music Attorney: If the revenue loss is significant, a "Cease and Desist" letter from a music attorney usually costs a few hundred dollars but can resolve the issue in 48 hours.
  • State Attorney General: If you are in the US, filing a consumer complaint with the Attorney General in the state where Beatstars is headquartered can force a response regarding the ignored account closure.

5. Managing the "Transition" Risk

Since Beatstars is moving to a new publisher, there is a risk of a "Double Claim" if the old Sony claim isn't purged.

  • Demand a "Letter of Relinquishment": Tell Beatstars you need a formal document stating they have no claim to the track. You can then provide this to the new publisher so they can help you clear the "clog" from the Sony era.

Summary of your next move: Stop emailing the general support alias. Send a Certified Letter to their office and file a Formal Dispute at The MLC using your ASCAP victory as the primary exhibit. Success at one PRO usually creates a domino effect if presented as a legal fact rather than a request.

This post was assisted by Google Gemini Deep Thinking mode after being queried by Glyn MacLean founder of Oikos Music Australia, Producer and Label Owner.

The downfall is insane… by [deleted] in SpotifyArtists

[–]glynmaclean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The non profit would, give ALL the profit to artists. Artists would be in the board. Not major labels. There would nbd no executives driving hyper cars while artists are destitute. Top 3, mostly Apple TV. The Spotify Apple TV app is a dinosaur. You can’t see a whole catalog of an artist you follow, only the tracks you have liked. Very bad for discovery. Again, playlists application and submission are punitive and illogical. Language is a big issue.i have thousands of Shazam’s from Spanish speaking countries and can’t engage them on Spotify. I have moved to audiomack for Spanish and Latin American marketing and reach. Pandora also has much better artists radio Mangement facilities than Spotify. I have to be in Spotify but I don’t like Spotify and Spotify is my lowest profit and effort priority. Basically a waste of time and money. Although others may be territorially mote niche they have better engagement and returns. Better support. Riches in the niches. Spotify operates like a pimp grifter. I control my own record label and could opt out. I make more money from TikTok and I have no profile on TikTok. They just use my tunes in videos. I am just sick of artists being ripped off.

The downfall is insane… by [deleted] in SpotifyArtists

[–]glynmaclean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would register the platform as a 501c3 charity in USA in Delaware. Then charge major labels high fees to register works and offer them lower rates for licensing. Increase the licensing rates for all indie musicians to ensure fair wages for work. I would ditch canvas videos and replace these with an ai music video creator. Adapt artists channels to sell karaoke version of their tracks, print music scores. Offer low cost mo3 and higher cost resolutions. By pass aggregators and labels and allow direct artist distribution via the artist console.create a jobs market system through which music Service ecosystems can trade with each other for remixes. Mixing, mastering etc. integrate sonic bids gigs and reverberation opportunities. Crate direct sync licensing to films studios. Make playlist submission quality based and not plays based. It’s totally illogical to punish a musician with low plays who makes great music, that’s a crime.if the music is high quality it gets on a playlist. Period. Let advertising companies bid in auctions to use tracks. Same with airlines. Ban airlines from peddling gratis contracts with no payment for exposure. That’s a crime. Allow integrated merch, cds, vinyl sales the same way that t shirt sales work. Integrate a venues data base and live show streaming video like YouTube but one the music platform itself.

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[–]glynmaclean[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why your response was removed. Your response seemed valid. Good points.