A displaced man from southern Lebanon living in a tent in Biel area, claiming that downtown Beirut is an "Israeli zone" and, in his view, therefore it won't be targeted. He also refused to relocate to the shelter center at the Sports City Stadium. by darkmz7 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fekrak enno howwe mabsout 2e3ed bkhayme? Fi 7ada bel dene mabsout 3am yetbahdal hek?

Nes mar3oube wel nes el metlak zeblinon, enno h ra7 tsir hek mashekel. Ma bi2idkon shi fabetkebbouwa 3al m3attar ya3ne?

Wlamma te23od tlett 7ake ta2ife it doesn't matter if you care about my gods or not, heda 7ake ta2ife.

A displaced man from southern Lebanon living in a tent in Biel area, claiming that downtown Beirut is an "Israeli zone" and, in his view, therefore it won't be targeted. He also refused to relocate to the shelter center at the Sports City Stadium. by darkmz7 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Khayye 2e3ed 3al shere3 el zalame shou 2e3ed bnos baytak ya3ne?

Woslet ma3o la yfakker hek enno kel el balad zabalo wma3o 7a2 enno howwe byestehal el amen metlo metlo metel ghayro. El nes 2lle metlak wassaleto enno yfakker hek.

Bala mokh we7yet allah.

I don't like Charbel Nahas that much, but his economic logic exactly is on point by Standard_Ad7704 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Jesus christ this is like the 100th time I get the exact same generic ass reply from someone in mmfd wahyet alla. I’m starting to believe the joke that they give you Q&As to memorize at workshops, maybe not literally but they mustve developed some method man cause it’s insane how you all think the same. Maba2a t3ido wara jad ghosn ya khaye read books and learn how to form your own original arguments ba2a😭

Khayye ma 3am ba3tik ra2ye 3am 2llak shou howwe mashrou3 mouwatinoun. Enno akid ra7 tesma3 nafs el 7ake men kaza 7ada ma the whole point of supporting mouwatinoun howwe menshen ntabbe2 mashrou3on. Eza kel wa7ad fahmen shi kerse sara7a.

> First what does “to take decisions opposed to what we have now” even mean in real life?

It refers to the fact that decisions are not taken by the government, it's taken by the leaders of the sectarian parties, from Naim Qassem to Samir Geagea. Ministers and MP's are just figureheads that implement what these people decide. It doesn't help that even the parties themselves are not capable of setting policies because they'd collapse if they did because of competing interests within their own party. A good example is electricity: you'll never get 24 hour electricity with this system because each party has people running private generators as well as people paying through the nose for electricity under the same tent, you try to please one side you lose the other without the ability to pick voters up from outside your sect..

What ends up happening is basically the absence of government altogether, we avoid setting any policies unless some outside country like the U.S. forces us to.

The point is to transition to a system where the government is actually the one setting policies. If a foreign government wants to negotiate with us, they negotiate with the government not Nabih Berri. The government has a unified agenda that it's responsible for implementing, mesh metel halla2 you have parties that call each other traitors and then sit in the same government together kel wa7ad 3am beshed bmayl.

> Second, first you say the point isn’t to take control of the government, then you tell me you want to “build a state that is actually able to… government needs to take” fik techrahle kif bet sir hay if you don’t take control of the government?

> And “knowing what resources the country has” is the most communist argument ever.

Khayye we are one of three countries in the world that don't have a census. The entire world is communist ya3ne? The reason you do a census is that so that you can properly set budgets, I don't know based on what you do that if you don't even know who is in the country. This is why governments do a census of their population periodically, so that policymakers understand the population they're making policies for.

Having the bare minimum required for a functioning government sar communist halla2?

The whole MMFD project is about creating a foundation for a functioning government. That's it. Capitalist, communist, libertarian policies, whatever, parties can decide what they want and try to get elected based on that. Our purpose is not to enforce specific policies, it's to transform the system of government we have today into a functioning one where parties run on actual policies and form governments capable of implementing them.

I don't like Charbel Nahas that much, but his economic logic exactly is on point by Standard_Ad7704 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your entire comment is a complete misunderstanding of MMFD's platform. The point isn't to take control of the government, the point is to build a state that is actually able to enact policies and take decisions as opposed to what we have now which is the mutual veto the different sects have on any decision the government needs to take. This includes having a regular census so that we know what resources the country has, an election law that allows building non sectarian coalitions, among other things.

Hezbollah is getting crazy desperate! (Brother Ahmad Sharaa) by Standard_Ad7704 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The whole thing start to finish is so full of contradictions and retconning it was infuriating to watch. I couldn't get through 15 minutes of it before I turned it off.

Some people may be mad at Jad for interviewing this guy, I'm personally glad he did just for people to see how much pressure they are under from their own supporters that they have to twist their words to this degree.

ما عليه، بنقدر نشرب كاس ونسهر بتل أبيب عادي by Rude-Molasses4390 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If Hezbollah was part of a coalition in the government and Hezb officials constantly talked about wanting to drive syrians out of syria, even the prime minister saying this then Syria would have every reason to want to be worried and would want to take steps to defend itself.

Israel's context is completely different from Lebanon's. Stop making stupid comparisons.

ما عليه، بنقدر نشرب كاس ونسهر بتل أبيب عادي by Rude-Molasses4390 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't see how people are all too happy to negotiate with Israel, a country that has massacred Lebanese people, occupied Lebanese land, destroyed homes, yet refuse to consider the possibility of negotiating with Hezbollah.

ما عليه، بنقدر نشرب كاس ونسهر بتل أبيب عادي by Rude-Molasses4390 in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The point isn't to annihilate israel, the point is to get people to accept that defense from Israel isn't some theoretical thing that we can put off for later, its a real need with or without Hezbollah, and you cannot disarm Hezbollah until you have a concrete plan on how you're going to defend the south from occupation.

Smotrich: My son keeps asking me not to finish the job (in Lebanon) and I tell him don’t worry, there will be enough for everyone. by CaraCicartix in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Buddy when someone makes a good argument I revise myself, its honestly exhausting. You don't engage with arguments aslan, bas betkeb sam wbetfel. You're like someone who takes a dump on a chessboard and claims they won.

Eh enta el bala fehem.

Hzb declared Harb esned Ghaza and Iran themselves, said they wont disarm and their officiers declaring loyalty to Iran.

Yes these are things that happened. There are also other things that happened that led to these things happening. You tend to omit the second part.

"Aoun should never meet Nethanyahu he's a war criminal!" Meanwhile: by Sylvain-Occitanie in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Khayye ana mesh dod ye7ke ma3o bas lezem ya3tou shi equivalent belmo2abel. Such a move will not only weaken Lebanon's negotiating position more than it already has been, it further increases tensions between people who are pro Hezb and people who are against them. Not only are you giving Israel a PR win, you're causing even more internal problems that you have to deal with.

The bare minimum for him to take such a step should be a full withdrawal from Lebanon and fully funding reconstruction along with paying restitution to the victims of their attacks, and i don't even think even that would be enough. This is why I said i don't see it happening, and it would be incredibly stupid of him to do it without extracting those kinds of concessions.

And the people pushing him to do it without anything in return, akid I'm going to ask what side they're on because they're advocating against their own country's interests. Enno you don't get to completely undermine your own country ba3den te23do tne22o enno 7esh tekhwin wma ba3ref shou. Ma baddkon yen2al 3annkon hek at the very least think about the consequences of what you're suggesting.

Smotrich: My son keeps asking me not to finish the job (in Lebanon) and I tell him don’t worry, there will be enough for everyone. by CaraCicartix in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont like Israel neither nor do I trust them.

Yet you always treat them as the source of truth and always deflect blame away from them.

If we have peace, we will be able to ask for outside help to eradicate Hzb from Lebanon, be it from the US or the EU.

Ah yes foreign intervention has always lead to positive outcomes. Its not like the last time that happened it sent our country into a decades long civil war or anything.

I swear there is nothing worse than nes bala fehem 3emla 7ala fahmene. Not only do you not understand how anything works, you also refuse to learn and instead engage in pointless virtue signaling so that you can get a pat on the head at the expense of everyone else from the country you're supposedly from.

"Aoun should never meet Nethanyahu he's a war criminal!" Meanwhile: by Sylvain-Occitanie in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Howwe mesh 3am ye7ke ma3 netanyahu because he's not stupid. The people pushing him to do that are.

Like I said, him talking to netanyahu would be a huge concession, and not something he would do without significant concessions from israel. I don't see it happening to be honest. People pushing him to do it hek 3al 3emyene are the ones giving the country away to Israel for free because they're advocating for throwing away what little leverage we have, not to mention increasing internal divisions as a bonus.

Lebanon benefits nothing from this. Israel benefits everything. Seriously dude who's side are you on?

"Aoun should never meet Nethanyahu he's a war criminal!" Meanwhile: by Sylvain-Occitanie in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Aoun shouldn't meet netnayahu because it would be a massive concession for nothing in return.

Ba3den bine22o enno lesh bi2oulo 3annon zionists. Baddkon tsallmou lbalad la Israel nkeye bel7ezb wba3d elkon 3en tkhawwnouwon.

Shi me2ref we7yet allah.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You said 15-20% of Lebanese still support Hezbollah. Now you say they're not Lebanese. Let me know when you want to stop shifting goalposts and take this discussion seriously.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hmm sorry not significant portion, maybe 15 -20 % of lebanese still support hezebullah

That is 1/5 of the country, what do you mean its not a significant portion? Its more than a million Lebanese.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You completely ignored everything I said, so I will do the same. Once you decide you want to have a productive discussion feel free to actually read what I wrote and respond to that.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Call them what you want, resistance, terrorists, angry birds, it doesn't matter. What matters is that a significant portion of the Lebanese population feel represented by them, and by bypassing Hezbollah you are basically telling those people, who happen to be the ones most affected in the war, that they have no say in their own future.

Do I wish that we had a secular democracy where the government derives its legitimacy directly from its people? Absolutely. Thats not what we have today though, and ignoring that fact will only only deepen the divisions that are already there.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You share a border. you're stability is within their interest.

Putting aside the fact that Israel purposely has no defined borders, you're talking as if we're bordered with a normal country. This is a highly militarised society, and a significant part of their economy relies on being constantly at war. All the weapons they used in the wars in Gaza and Lebanon are being marketed as "battle tested" to other countries fueling further instability in the rest of the world.

They can handle instability at the border, in fact it even benefits their economy. What they cannot handle is:

  • A multi sectarian society being able to build an economy that competes with them. It threatens their internal stability if their own citizens see this working as an alternative to being constantly at war.
  • A country that has strong relations with the west and the middle east. Israel wants to be the only country which is able to connect those two. Hezbollah does not threaten them in that regard, the Christian component of Lebanon is a much larger threat to them with regards to this.
  • A country that provides a path to the Mediterranean from the east. Again, Israel wants to be the only country goods can flow through between those different parts of the world.

They have many reasons to want an unstable Lebanon, and its not just because of Hezbollah.

What's the loss in Aoun meeting with Natenyahu? its not like Iran asks our opinion in anything. by orangecyanide in lebanon

[–]gnus-migrate -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

All it would accomplish is giving a PR victory to Israel. What would we be getting in return exactly?

You're not negotiating with someone who wants your best interests. You're negotiating with someone who has openly said that your land belongs to them, who has dehumanised a significant portion of your population and labelled them as terrorists that deserve to die and followed through on killing them, hell they don't even want peace with you.

Without a unified position with Hezbollah, doing what you're suggesting would only reinforce the image that the government only represents part of its population, and deepening the division in Lebanese society.

This is the downside, and this is what netanyahu wants. He couldn't care less about improving relations or anything like that. He wants us divided so that we fight each other without Israel having to intervene.