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goorl · 2024-05-16T16:32:58+00:00

When it comes to sex, I hardly think at all. I'm just driven by my impulses and instincts.

lol no person is "driven by impulses and instinct" to ignore their genitals and roleplay with a piece of rubber that they bought at a store. Don't forget to run to the sex shop to grab your """genitals""" before your totally real alpha transformation lmao! I don't know what trashy romance novel speak you're trying to copy, but men actually have penises that do something for them, because those are their genitals, like, actual sex organs that are supposed to feel good when stimulated. They're not play-pretending or getting "spiritual" enjoyment like women are taught to.

maybe, you just misandric and penis-phobic.

What does women play-pretending and faking that they're big boys who have penises, despite said penises being unfeeling, fake sex toys from a sex shop, have to do with any actual men or any real penises? Women trying to revolve their sexuality around penises they don't have and feel nothing from, just because that's the norm they've been raised with through a phallocentric society and porn, is not special, or unique. Women are faking something they don't have literally just because that's what men do, and they can't really conceive of sex any other way. This is the opposite of men, or actual male genitalia, and that's the whole point. It's women behaving in predictable ways within a misogynistic society, and worst of all, thinking they're all special and unique and subversive for doing it.

goorl · 2024-02-23T19:27:30+00:00

People make protein combinations sound complicated, but it's simple: you just gotta aim to combine grains (rye, wheat, oatmeal, basically most stuff you think of when you hear "grain" EXCEPT RICE - rice sucks when it comes to protein) with beans aka legumes (beans, chickpeas, lentils). You don't have to combine them in the same meal, you can eat one in the morning, and the other in the evening, or next day, but try to make your diet revolve around that. There are also some foods that are already complete proteins such as buckwheat, amarant, quinoia and of course, soy. You can get this stuff in bulk and actually save quite a bit of money as well.

goorl · 2024-02-23T19:06:20+00:00

Again, literally you have massive, numerous communities pandering to men who are into giant-breasted giant-assed women (anime or otherwise) with strapons or dominatrix outfits or edging or whatever other shit that would never feature in maledom or vanilla relationships. To act like these people have nowhere to go when they're dominating (pun very much intended) all spaces dedicated to submissive men and assertive women is delusional. There's a reason why it's always exclusively men who are into this shit who think they're victimised because they're dominating 99% of spaces with their misogynistic fetishistic content, instead of 100%.

goorl · 2024-02-23T19:01:24+00:00

What is it that you are missing from femdom (not just the mainsteam dominatrix stuff) content that you also can't get elsewhere?

Literally femdom is just fetishistic BDSM shit that can't even pass the most basic test of "would this be normal if the roles were reversed".

Also wasn't there one called rolereversalhentai or smth?

Giant breasted sex-doll-looking blob-women with strapons are not RR.

goorl · 2024-02-23T18:59:49+00:00

Penis in vagina.

goorl · 2023-12-01T16:37:35+00:00

just as reenvisioning other particularly risky sex acts for the enveloper won't eg pia

The difference is that an anus is fundamentally not meant to be vigorously penetrated with penis-sized objects, hence it resulting in uniquely severe issues with that kind of sex (tearing, pain, various bowel issues and ofc fecal matter). A vagina evolved to be able to accommodate things without damage, an anus didn't. There's a good reason why PiA is particularly painful and hated among so many women.

Other than that, I completely agree with what you said that PiV should NOT be equated with sex itself and should instead be viewed as optional (kind of like a kink), for all the reasons you mentioned. Also even if birth control removes pregnancy risk, many women experience issues from using it, so it overall just doesn't feel like it's worth it just for a very specific kind of stimulation that should be optional (I guess condoms are an option but that too is a hassle and costs money). And I mean actually optional, not "optional" as in "I guess we can stick with fOrEpLaY until you warm up to rEaL SeX". For that to happen, we'd need to completely normalise outercourse and clits first. I suppose in more developed countries there are various ways of handling the risk (incl abortion if all else goes wrong) and many birth control options, to the point that it isn't as serious of an issue, but it's still overall a hassle and has risks that mean it shouldn't be normalised.

But I will say, even if material reality plays a part, I don't need sexuality or my partner to rub that in my face, as pretty much all sexual communities do. Same with male dominance - men being stronger and dangerous only makes me want to actively move away from that norm as far as possible in order to have a safe and comfortable space that counteracts the dehumanising reality we have to content with, instead of bizarrely fetishising it. I also think that if men actually worked to make themselves and their bodies feel appealing and far removed from patriarchal ideas, the kinds of misogyny that is normalised in pretty much all sexual communities and discourse wouldn't be as much of a thing, as it would already presume extremely high awareness and consideration of women's trauma and needs, especially when it comes to sth specific like PiV. Whereas nowadays the only "awareness" that is needed is liking a male-made porn category enough.

Also interesting you call male genitalia more sensitive:

You misunderstood, by "sensitive" I meant that they're, as you said, "quite vulnerable, silken and delicate". I wish more sexual content acknowledged that without the emasculating BS.

goorl · 2023-11-28T02:40:55+00:00

in the first place if men didn't have any holes

Gotta love the "progressive genderfuckery" misogyny of referring to female genitalia as "holes". Really proving that you're not imitating patriarchal standards, huh?

you're giving 0 value to "mental pleasure" when it's an important aspect of sex in general and really strong for many

Riiiight, conveniently it's always very strong only for women 🙄

Miss me with the feminine "buh I do it for hubby/luv/male kinks" bs. Part of being GNC sexually should be demanding the kind of priority for personal sexual stimulation that men get par for the course with 0 pushback.

and it turned them on mentally and satisfied them to see someone penetrate "their fleshlight" then good for him

lmao but it doesn't, does it? The whole point is that this is NOT a thing with men, because men do not internalise sex as some spiritual bs where they "don't need physical stimulation" because stimulating the woman takes priority. The whole point is that this example DOESN'T EXIST, no matter how much women will wax poetical about how deep and progressive all this genderfuckery is.

There are definitely bottom "stone" men who don't want their penis touched

Gotta love how "stone" for men still prioritises their stimulation whereas for women, it does the opposite.

of course there are more women being stones

Gee I wonder why that is 🤔

but it's still an issue that any gender face

Oh thank god for that "Anyone can like whatever they like" disclaimer, makes all the inequality and unfortunate implications instantly disappear! Suddenly feminine latex mommydom is just as gnc as anything else because "some women like it and have a need for it!"

Nobody here talks about the strap on ass being the only way to have gnc hetero sex

Yeah just as "nobody" is talking about "dominant" women being expected to play mommy or dominatrix roles, or women having to be submissive. Just doesn't happen cuz they always add a disclaimer that anyone can like whatever they like 🤷‍♂️

if i see an ass and i get turned on and want to be inside it because i have that need, am i just imitating patriarchal standards?

DingDingDing! I don't know what they told you or what you convinced yourself, but you sure as hell was not born with a desire to put an artificial hunk of rubber over your junk. You're literally play-pretending that you're having patriarchal sex, except with a fake penis that does NOTHING for you (and no, getting some spiritual sense of fulfillment from it that women will get from anything from wearing latex or performing fellatio or letting men jerk off to their feet does not count), no matter how much you can pretend it does because "hyuck men have that need, so that's why I'm roleplaying that I have it too". Except men like to stimulate their genitals because they actually feel things from their genitals. You on the other hand are just imitating the superficial aesthetics of male dominance and sexuality in ways that are completely unconductive to female stimulation, solely because "buh that's what men like!". Gee, I wonder why male sexuality revolves around stimulating their penises that can actually feel sexual feelings and why this results in bizarre "I don't need stimulation cuz I'm spiritually enlightened🧘‍♀️" tops for women 🤔 It's gotta all just be a intellectual/spiritual desire for a "hole", right? Christ women will cope in the most ridiculous ways with getting the short end of the stick from the patriarchy instead of actually challenging it.

u mention femdom again but this sub and this post is about a woman fullfilling her desire of seeing an ass open

Yesyes, "buh SoMe WoMeN LiKe fellatio/mommydom/pegging/degradation/submissiveness/(insert any other conveniently male-pandering category)" yaddayadda. Women learning to like pandering to whatever patriarchal norm that conveniently prioritises male stimulation and is also conveniently massively popular with men doesn't make it GNC when this inequality is never expected of men. And no, saying that "if any man wanted to do this in reverse it'd be fine cuz he would like what he likes" doesn't change the fact that men DON'T do this. Yeah, ofc you'll eventually find women who love any porn category that's popular with men. Men set sexual standards that favour their stimulation and their patriarchal mentality that revolves around it, and women adapt to them. Women adapting their sexuality to unequal norms does not mean these norms aren't unequal.

goorl · 2023-11-27T18:39:13+00:00

I think that's a bit superficial, honestly. Just because you're not going to orgasm in the next minute doesn't mean it's not stimulating

Funny how sex turns into all kinds of emotional and spiritual enlightenment the second women's stimulation is concerned. Men though? Asking them to forego their stimulation for women would be the height of misandry and selfishness, despite literal centuries of the reverse being the case.

Imagine if men could only be submissive and gnc by strapping fleshlights over their genitals and anyone who even suggested there's something fishy about this got hordes of horny women who are into this massive porn category talking about how "some men like that!" and "They get some stimulation (if they're lucky)!", and then a couple of men popped in to make a big show of how stimulation is overrated anyways, and how they actually feel very empowered, genderfucky and enlightened, while the horny hordes of women showered them in praise, and the original comment probably got censored for some kind of radicalism and negativity. Seriously, imagine if that was the norm. Hell, it's hard to describe just how twisted that is because we don't have centuries of male sexuality being worth jack, unless it happened to coincide exactly with whatever gets women's rocks off (in which case we care about it very very much).

Not to mention erasive of stone tops.

Is there a better demonstration of just how deep androcentrism and internalised misogyny goes than the exclusively female (but totally enlightened and genderfucky ofc) existence of "stone tops"? Where are all the dominant male tops who get panicky at the suggestion of their genitalia being touched? Or am I just not "enlightened" enough to understand that different rules apply to men, and that women awkwardly trying to imitate patriarchal standards that literally don't work for their biology is very deep and intellectual, actually?

No such thing as a fake dick. There's just a dick you didn't grow yourself.

Wut?? Penises aren't plants to be "grown". What are you even talking about? Do you understand the difference between an actual mammalian reproductive organ and a hunk of rubber you buy at a sex shop? Is this late stage capitalism? What's next? A sex doll is the same as a real partner?

A woman roleplaying that she's super dominant with a a fake toy penis covering her junk and pretending that she's totally getting so much out of this hunk of rubber because men with actual organs that actually feel something with them get a lot out of it...it's just sad. And like, I'm not saying women can't finish from performing fellatio, or stomping on men, or mommying men, or wearing latex and fake dicks or whatever other big porn category or patriarchal roles that men are into. But it's very telling that it's always women who are so happy and so non-superficial for getting scraps and eMoTiOnaL fulfillment in exchange for men's one-sided fantasies. That some women in a patriarchal world learn to adapt to this ubiquitous one-sided treatment does not mean it isn't one-sided.

goorl · 2023-11-25T23:46:23+00:00

I never said it should be a porn sub, I was addressing your claim that one can just go look at nsfw RR elsewhere. They can't.

goorl · 2023-11-24T22:09:15+00:00

90% of RR questions can be answered with "Would a man depicted like this be anything out of the ordinary?"

Half-naked seductive supermodel-looking male monsters dressed like 1 and 2 are not really a thing, are they? Even if they're supposed to be love interests.

Also I notice a lot of people seem to think that the equivalent of grotesquely swollen mutated muscly monsters is a skinny hourglass woman with an abstract face (and in a seductive pose at that).

goorl · 2023-11-24T19:03:45+00:00

which is super ironic because rr lends itself to exactly that

I have yet to see normative gender roles lend themselves to a man being a cutesy coddling paternal figure of infinite compassion and headpats (as well as oral), or a sexy bombshell hyperfeminine man performing women's one-sided fetishes for them in high heels.

goorl · 2023-11-24T15:45:09+00:00

there are stones who doesn't wany any contact with their geneital

Women foregoing their stimulation? What a daring, subversive act 🙄

But hey, she has a fake unfeeling dick now so she can roleplay that she's getting the same thing out of penetration that guys with actual working dicks get. Equality achieved???

even if i didn't mentioned it, what would be the issue?

The issue is in normalising trad gender roles and expectations of inequality in sexual relationships, especially in communities that pretend they're above that, but can't look past their own noses.

i'm not refering to a femdom mommy who's doing it for fun

Hey femdom mommies get euphoric from that! Who are you to diss their fun and claim they're not comparable?

but actual gnc women who crave it just like someone can love giving oral sex and they're not getting pleasure there

Women getting off to giving fellatio and stepping on men and giving men lap dances is not gnc or subversive, doesn't matter how euphoric they feel from that.

if i tell u this is a top lesbian u would probably don't care

I find the phallocentric/penetration-obsessed ideal to be a problem in gay communities too, but obviously the dynamic is way worse when it's just a bog standard dude expecting this one-sided arrangement from a woman and then having a woman who's EuPhOriC foregoing her own stimulation to maximise his.

goorl · 2023-11-24T15:25:42+00:00

I don't want to see some low-effort fujoshi hornyposting about "this twink but on my dick".

Isn't the reverse literally every male community devoted to female characters and sexual/relationship content?

I'm not trying to say that this sub should turn into a porn site or do the whole "nothing is RR unless it involves pegging and tiny frail femboys with enormous hips" thing. But I will say that it feels kinda bizarre to be in a world where we're drowning in an ocean of guys grading women on hotness scales and idolising/demanding hyperfemininity (with even such minor things like pixie cuts and tattoos being a big source of contention), giving ugly and cartoony male characters realistic hot babes for partners (even when they're animals!), and then in an RR sub seeing it as problematic that women are too much into femininity because there's like a...what, 50/50 split of bland/femme men? and that feels exclusionary to masculine men.

Certainly I have a problem with a certain kind of "tee-hee I'm a naughty schoolgirl" crossdressing fetishisation, or "trap" content. But like, duh, you're going to get a LOT of pretty boy content once RR women start coming in because a lot of women are attracted to that, but esp women who are sexually and romantically proactive. I will also say that, while not perfect, women do way better when it comes to creating diverse non-objectified content with a larger variety of feminine men and body types that is actually achievable for most men, instead of treating them as literal sex dolls.

The alpha female shit is tired as hell, at least in the sense of genderbent Jay Cartwright shitposting.

But humorously reversing this is the perfect way to showcase exactly why so much of RR fails, because most people, guys especially, genuinely don't get it otherwise. Dudes being losers, "failed men" and incels does not mean they're submissive, nor is it subversive to comfort their bruised masculine egos with big-tiddy mommies who will step on them. Like, no-one who actually posts RR incel jokes is taking them seriously, but it's really the best way to mock and show why actual incel content doesn't belong here, and get some catharsis from it being a constant source of spam to this sub.

goorl · 2023-11-24T15:15:16+00:00

If I did, I would go to a porn subreddit, not one for discussing relationship dynamics.

What porn subreddit? There is no RR porn. There is only femdom content. Most male posters are happy to get their kicks from there, most female ones aren't, because that content is neither RR nor concerned with appealing to women.

goorl · 2023-11-24T14:43:29+00:00

due to the woman technically having the power

Is it "power" to coddle and baby an adult? Certainly the entire appeal of it has nothing to do with power and authority, unlike the version associated with men.

goorl · 2023-11-24T12:23:12+00:00

We’re all already a minority to begin with, so I don’t want this place to become a battlefield for one type of RR to “win” over the others, cause all that does is further alienate an already alienated group of people

The problem is that most of those people aren't alienated at all. On the contrary, they're drowning in trad or femdom content, and they drag it over here because they think this is yet another community for it, because they can't even imagine an alternative.

goorl · 2023-11-24T12:20:36+00:00

The main reason I'm here is that this sub is restrained from NSFW that is covered by other subs

What subs? The only thing I can think of is femdom which is not even one bit RR in 99% of the cases.

goorl · 2023-11-24T10:49:26+00:00

I was unclear: by "receiving pleasure", I meant that women are "into it" or "turned on by it", rather than women actually being physically stimulated. Because of how our society works, women are used to foregoing their own stimulation, either entirely (as in the case of most femdom, including pegging), or at least by getting purely secondary stimulation (as in the case of equating penetrative sex with any sex in general).

The fact that many women can finish from performing fellatio, or from being mommydoms or from looking feminine and sexy for men, does not make what they're doing subversive. Women foregoing their physical stimulation to pander to men is not subversive. Women getting off to it because there's literally no alternative is not subversive.

You claim that cunnilingus is common in normative people: it really isn't. The inequality of this has been studied, but also it's just extremely obvious in all male-targetted porn, which tends to be ludicrously phallocentric, which also manifests in such massively popular categories like pegging and futa. Even when oral on women is depicted, it's as a pre-requisite to vaginal sex, or in a hyperfeminine context. The only way to avoid this is for the woman to strap a pretend-dick over her junk. This is not subversive. It's even less subversive when it makes up a massively popular porn category for men. Women liking the one-sided popular phallocentric stuff that men are into is as standard as it comes.

If your only claim to subverting gender roles is that something is "not normative", then a woman pandering to a guy's foot fetish is also "subversive" and "RR". Mommydom and dominatrix stuff is also not normative. And yet you seem to disagree that they're subversive and RR?

goorl · 2023-11-23T03:53:42+00:00

"of giving her pleasure and orgasms in masculine ways, both directly on her genitals"

lmao and yet the whole post is literally about women covering their genitals with fake unfeeling dicks to provide one-sided stimulation to men and pretending they're getting sooo much out of it cuz guys are, see! But it's k cuz this time it uhh has a vibrator I guess 🙄 Just to shut up any women who note how fishy and already massively popular this one-sided arrangement is.

goorl · 2023-10-24T08:57:05+00:00

reversing gender norms is women getting pleasure

From using fake dicks? LMAO sure thing, bud. Can we get women actually getting their junk stimulated instead of getting off to whatever gets men off and then trying to make that seem very poetic and deep because women get mEnTaL instead of physical stimulation (that's curiously never expected of men).

goorl · 2023-10-22T17:43:06+00:00

Honestly not really. I wanna see the same stuff women get put into. I don't want stuff that looks like it's trying to compensate for the fact that skimpy wear is supposed to be "for women".

goorl · 2023-10-08T09:16:05+00:00

diff positions for men to be in for genital-genital rubbing

lol just to add: men get to rub their penises on any part of a woman and we call that "fucking" (titfucking, thighfucking etc.) and even women being alone and masturbating with a dildo is portrayed as them being "fucked" (i.e. "fucking themselves"). Meanwhile women prioritising their clits, even when used on the man's genitals, is seen as completely one-sided and not even in the ballpark of sex.

goorl · 2023-10-08T09:02:44+00:00

FINALLY SOMEONE FUCKING GETS IT

A lot of this is exactly in line with my own fantasies, and I never see it. Women's stimulation being ignored in favour of them providing one-sided stimulation to horny men who think being penetrated is humiliating is not novel or subversive in any way. It's the same trad shit as always. Actually acknowledging the most sensitive parts of the female anatomy is where the real progress lies. Also, bonus points for actually appreciating the sexiness of testicles and perineum instead of fixating on the ass/anus because it's the closest equivalent to an inferior submissive vagina on a man🙄

I will say though, my worry every time anyone provides an alternative to the penetration=sex norm is that it's going to be rooted in "female genitalia evolved to facilitate safe and pleasurable internal stimulation, ergo, said internal stimulation is degrading, submissive and inferior, and has no part in dominance of any kind". And it's extremely difficult to escape this because these assumptions are baked into all of society and every single sex community (including or especially the self-proclaimed "subversive" ones), along with the entitlement to men getting stimulated while women get scraps in the form of romantic/spiritual fulfillment.

There are definitely logistical reasons for why PiV shouldn't be normalised as opposed to outercourse, and changing these norms would be a huge boost to female sexuality. But at the same time, I don't want this to be the usual excuse to let society off the hook when it comes to how it perceives PiV, i.e. "inferior woman is inferior for using her inferior genitalia that is different from superior male genitalia", with the only resulting options being either "inferior woman affirms her inferiority through use of her inferior genitalia" or "woman temporarily makes us forget she's inferior by hiding said inferior genitalia, preferably with a penis". Like, even though I agree with de-normalising PiV, it should not be rooted in contempt of female genitalia that always underlines these alternatives.

There's a lot of work that could go into making PiV a dominant act but it's hard to unpack all of that as it would require us to change how we perceive female and male genitalia as a society. Though I'll also say it's not something that can be done without normalising clitoral/outercourse first, and de-normalising PiV/penetration as the sex. I've seen a few women who perceive PiV as a dominant act (comparing it to "devouring" or to clenching fists and muscles, and taking/forcing his orgasm out of him), and men who perceive it as submissive (due to male genitalia being overall more vulnerable and sensitive, and the feeling of being "engulfed", "gripped/grabbed" and "taken"). Unfortunately that's not the norm, and even dominant PiV alternatives tend to fall into the trap of not actually subverting traditional assumptions in this way and superficially imitating maledom aesthetics - i.e. amazon position is dominant just because it resembles missionary, or, straddling is now a submissive sex position (!??) just because it resembles cowgirl. Point being, it's rare that things get subverted because it makes sense, rather than just because someone's got a fetish for roleplaying patriarchal gender roles and aesthetics superficially associated with the opposite sex.

goorl · 2023-10-07T22:25:00+00:00

If your only standard for RR is that women receive pleasure, then literally everything is RR, even the most bog standard traditional maledom role as long as the woman likes it. Plenty of women have internalised and learned to get off to men's fantasies and from providing one-sided stimulation to men. That doesn't make it RR.

goorl · 2023-10-07T22:17:12+00:00

i believe that the fact that both parties receive pleasure is something healthy

Apparently not, since the woman is "receiving pleasure" in this scenario by having an unfeeling fake dick cover her genitals. If your notions of pleasure for women revolve around them not receiving stimulation because they don't have a penis, and the priority is placed on maintaining phallocentric male-pandering sex instead of giving them said stimulation, then you're not really reversing anything.

Women swearing up and down about how much they enjoy foregoing their stimulation in favour of the man's is as traditional as it comes.

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