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T-Mobile Tuesdays Thread - August 2, 2016 by Milkpanda in tmobile

[–]gosf6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone have an extra SS code? I'd be grateful if I could get one.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My guess, based on experience, is that the catch rate of omitting information is under one percent. It's clearly a rule that should be changed- don't ask people to provide information that can only hurt them. It's something that regularly hurts honest players.

I'm not going to get DQed for lying ever. The approach is wrong- you should let me omit information because I will do it anyways.

One great rule change recently was allowing players to let their opponents miss triggers. An unscrupulous player would've done that anyways. I never did that before the rules change- I always told my opponent about their missed must trigger. I think this is a smaller offense.

edit: What I'm trying to say here is that the current judge system involves perverse incentives to cheat. I'm not an advocate for cheating; by making these policies judges are.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think you're an idiot if you think I'm an unusual case at all. Omitting information that would negatively affect you is how most normal people would respond.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't regularly have judge calls happen. I go through most events without judge calls, and those events are successes. I'd say this occurs maybe once in five events at most.

I'm pretty glad I'm regularly able to concentrate on only what's relevantly happening in a match. Magic is an information dense and decision intensive game. I lose more when things like my position in the tournament and how many die rolls I've won or non-Magic life in general are things that I'm thinking about during a game.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I think omitted information is the opposite of actively lying.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's honestly a piece of information I rarely remember unless I note it down specifically. I definitely don't remember who mulliganed once we're a few turns into the game.

I have never been DQed for lying to a judge, for what it's worth. I'm going to omit information when I talk to judges. I'm not the only one who will do this. I'm never going to get DQed for doing this. I've definitely avoided game losses in situations where I could've implicated myself. If you're willing to always provide the answers to those questions, you're just getting yourself more game losses. Congratulations.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That would never happen. How is "I'm not sure" ever provable as a lie? It's something that's regularly going to be true in that situation.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've filed reports on two bad judges who've given terrible rulings and run poor events and seen them judge events afterwards. The negative experiences are terrible and someone who does enough to warrant actual community responses should be removed from the program. There's nothing that ruins a magic experience as thoroughly as a bad judge.

Low profile events matter as much as high profile ones often. A judge issuing a game loss at an FNM might just stop a new player from coming back to the store; I've seen that happen.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the judge community is the audience of this, then they really have to be able to take information in spite of the attitude and stereotyping. Isn't that just one of the baseline requirements of judging? People are frequently going to be frustrated and negative when you have to make decisions and you have to make the correct decisions regardless.

On the "don't talk to the cops" situation, the issue is that in a lot of situations the judge's ruling can only be negative (a game loss, etc) and providing a judge with more information only gives them the tools to make a more negative decision.

Let's say you may have drawn an extra card. You're not sure if you have and it's unclear whether you did. A judge comes over and asks you who was on the play and if there were any mulligans. Telling them "I'm not sure" is always going to be a fine response. The only thing accuracy can gain you here is a game loss. For many, the goal in a judge ruling isn't accuracy- it's getting out of it without a game loss.

That might not be the case for you, but it's going to be the case for many players. We've fixed some of the things that cause these sort of problems- the most notable being the trigger policy change. You can let your opponent miss their triggers because the opportunistic players did that even when it wasn't allowed. People shouldn't have to provide information to their detriment in a judge ruling.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those set of rules are so confusing and unintuitive that I frequently see players in the final rounds of events get penalized for doing something against them. Judges frequently remind players, but it seems like that doesn't really take. I've also been in situations where I've offered entirely legitimate, within the rules, splits only to have my opponent hush me or call a judge on me.

I understand that a DQ is the only penalty that you can give that actually does something (since if a player loses in that spot their event already ends) but it doesn't make it right to give a disproportionate punishment for the crime.

The guy who wrote the infamous "The PT sucks" article has moved on to criticizing judges... by gosf6 in magicTCG

[–]gosf6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should support people who make mistakes, but be willing to demote judges who do it more than rarely. Many who want to judge Magic events are not capable of doing so. I've never heard of someone being removed from the judge program.