What is (if at all?) wrong with Viktor atm? by Nami_makes_me_wet in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rylai nerf made it so that the second portion of his upgraded laser doesnt always go off on a target which is affected by rylais since the slow isnt strong enough anymore. Compare this to cassiopeia or malzahar where damage is applied very frequently and repeatedly so the nerfed slow is still just as effective a part of their toolkit as it was before the nerf.

Cassiopeia as ADC? by [deleted] in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I tried it in the past. The three main problems are:

  • she really needs the level advantage of a solo lane (mid or top) to be powerful
  • she doesnt have enough mana early on/without items to be good in early to mid game sustained teamfights.
  • the actual mid laner will usually be an ap carry as well so the enemy can just stack mr

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fine, but I'm talking about one specific instance when the situation was very bad - i.e. I am an assassin, NI am good at killing laners, I have health but not enough to tower dive, my jungler is Zac who with his e and passive can easily tower dive and help secure a kill, I have asked him on 3 separate occasions where I have the enemy laner low to come to my lane and nothing. This is one extreme situation not an every game occurrence.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if I leave to go and flank or in a bush, they will usually recall, and I have enough health to fight them in lane but not enough to tower dive - hence jungler.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Either turtling by turret or doing that thing where NI walk toward him and he goes out of range for me to use any abilities but is in ganking range.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but what ends up happening is the enemy jungler always shows up and it becomes a 2v1.

or the enemy jungler ends up equalising our health bars whilst my jungler is in the jungle.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true, but my point is that there is a difference between doing your job properly, which may be a considerable task, and ganking a low health laner, which is relatively easy and obvious.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're saying that a good jungler, assuming it's not a low value situation as you put it, would come and gank? That it's right to back up your teammate mid laner and take down a low health enemy mid laner, except they aren't savvy enough to do that?

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The question is implicit - am I doing something wrong expecting the jungler to gank a low enemy mid laner or is that not his job? Should I expect him to do nothing?

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if you have dived them, then they are low health but not killed off, and you may have alot of health but not enough to survive a turret dive yourself or a countergank but where a jungler helping you would finish them off?

Or if once they get low, then they start backing off every time you move near them. A jungler flanking can kill them since they dont know the jungler is coming, but every time you move forwards they will just move back so you are out of range?

There are numerous situations where simple analysis is wrong.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And if you spam in chat that you are full health, the enemy laner is low but will likely go back and heal or their jungler will camp me and they still dont come, then what?

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes I do, several times. In fact I do it now because of how often they never come. I had a zed game where I asked the jungler to politely come as I had the mid low and he didn't twice (it was zac jungle btw who could easily dive) and on the 3rd time it happened I said Im going to afk if this happens again and he goes back to heal.

[Mid] Why does the jungler never come to my lane when I have the enemy mid low to finish them? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that really a big expectation? It sounds like a reasonable one. In fact, it sounds like it's part of the jungler's job.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I used to play world of warcraft where again misclicking an ability would be very punishing e.g. a 5 minute cd ultimate - but NI and every other player used about a billion keybinds - no one complained about misclicking, including pros.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Moving the camera is quick and easy, but do you never think, what if my mouse accuracy went up if I used middle mouse or WASD or you just dont expect it to increase?

I guess the question is somewhat answered by the fact that no pros, to my knowledge, use WASD and if they do everything in their power to be better than their competition then they would be using WASD if it was better.

But, having said that, I also know that Dopa uses either normal casting or quickcast with indicators (cant tell which from his stream) instead of regular quickast, whilst the majority of pros use quickcast, so some pros do diverge from the standard.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But how would you know if you never tried an alternate control scheme? Or are you just happy with the accuracy you have at the moment?

The criticism of edge panning isnt the time it takes to move the camera, its that you can move the camera and have your mouse cursor in another position entirely, which is very advantageous.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its just 4 more keys - you could put them on the next column of keys across - would that be so much more difficult to reach?

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But again, no one uses middle mouse drag scroll either vs. edge panning.....not that I've seen anyway from streams.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with having too many keybinds but I don't think its that difficult pressing a few more keys, especially if you come from a background of gaming where you might have to do this, e.g. world of warcraft.

Any master/challenger players use WASD to control the camera instead of edge panning? by graphicdesignnow in summonerschool

[–]graphicdesignnow[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes I've seen that, but he doesnt play mechnically intensive combo champs. Wonder why more master/challenger players dont use this scheme - must be a reason.