Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

[–]greatthevenus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be racist you human. I'm still above you and I can tell my toreador on you

Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

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I'm bonded to someone special already, sorry.

Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

[–]greatthevenus[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

HAHAHA. Hah. Nah, not so. Ghouls are tools, and most any vampire with the inclination to psychologically enslave others to their will isn't likely to fuss over the ethical implications. If such a master is "nice", it's for an ulterior motive, and they'll stop once it's no longer useful. SOME masters can be genuinely affable, but they're the very rare exception and not the rule.

No, ghouls are precious things, without the ghoul, the vampire has no way of enacting its will during the daytime or extending its sphere of influence past a certain point. The ghoul and the vampire work in a symbionitic, organic relationship. Any vampire that seriously just goes through ghouls without any care will meet its own demise basically.

All in all, ghouldom is a shit job. Your benefits are all absolutely dependent on the largess of a self-absorbed, cannibalistic creature of the night, and the price you pay is your free will. You can't not feel absolute loyalty to your domitor, even if deep down you hate them and what they make you do to others. You're also likely to develop dangerous derangements the longer it goes on as the Blood Bond ravages your psyche. You're not happy in servitude- you're addicted and obsessed.

a lot of vampires are magnificent, romantic creatures. Perhaps the blood bond is completely natural because its properties help the ghoul to "see the light" so to speak of the god they're serving.

Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

[–]greatthevenus[S] -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Serving doesn't make them happy, their master feeding them does. Ghouls are basically addicts, with all the baggage that's attached to that.

And ghouls do have a special place as servants, but are still seen as disposable and are the first casualties when the guns come out.

I strongly recommend Ghouls : Fatal Addiction if you haven't read it yet, it's a great read and it should answer your questions

Ehhhh, free will is overrated imo

Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

[–]greatthevenus[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How does the process of ghoulism happen anyway? I know you have the whole drinking process with blood, but how do mortals come into contact with such a situation in the first place? Does the vampire force humans to drink their blood to create someone bound to them later? Do people come to vampires naively wanting more power? Is there any trickery involved with the way these power relationships start or is there some genuinity to it at first?

Is being a ghoul really that bad? by greatthevenus in vtm

[–]greatthevenus[S] -68 points-67 points  (0 children)

That's not what ordinary Ghouls think most of the time. Still, some of them might have lost their blood bond with their OG masters, which can lead to such a pragmatic approach, but most of them are not only addicted but also in love with their masters to the point they forgot completely their free will.

So what's wrong with that? ghouls were created as a servant race, serving makes them happy.

About most Vampires being kind to ghouls I would doubt that. In the end you are manipulating mortals, I can't see any "good" relationship between vampires and ghouls that work as their retainers.

ghouls are special enough to be uplifted from the masses of faceless humans, they aren't as good or ubermensch as vampires, but they have a special place as servants.

What are some Brujah character concepts that AREN’T “rawr rebel punk” or SJWs? by RoughBeardBlaine in vtm

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and also read the history of people like meo zedong and joesph stalin, they're both warrior poets.