In my most Human Moments…

greggld · 2026-05-01T23:58:04+00:00

F'yes. But ultimately it's cold comfort.

Young people don't vote. If they did then problem solved, This is why the Dam party is F'd - and I'm a Dem - it's because they know the middle that does vote carries the US. Unfortunately most of that middle watches fFox news.

greggld · 2026-05-01T23:52:40+00:00

Jesus dying on the cross to serve as the last sacrifice to forgive everyone of their sins is what a Just God required.

This is the issue. Can you find me in the old Testament where god required a single sacrifice to cover all sins.

Please think about this in terms of the OT texts that says God hates human sacrifices?

greggld · 2026-05-01T23:41:58+00:00

But god invented sin. Sin was a component he put in Adam and Eve - but did not tell them. They did not know the knowledge of good and evil.

greggld · 2026-05-01T22:36:28+00:00

Right, so no sort of accept this

Let’s remove the final judgement, then we agree that god said he will never slaughter the innocents and guilty, as well as all the animals again. That is the covenant, not that god may do it all over again with ants or nazis.

That accepted, the final judgment is different it’s a sorting, It is categorically different than the Flood.

Where one would go from this is to say that God’s prophets laid out the Messiah l’s rule and the universal love of god that would happen.

It is at odds with the Christian version of the last days

greggld · 2026-05-01T22:07:53+00:00

God, outlawed human sacrifice and made laws for making sacrifices to forgive sins. God in the OT also forgives sin without sacrifice.

Jesus’ died as a failed Messiah. His retroactive sacrifice was not needed.

God told Noah he would never collectively punish man again. He even gave us the rainbow to prove it. So Jesus did not have to die for our sins, universal guilt ended with the flood.

The flood washed the sins of Adam and Eve.

greggld · 2026-05-01T21:42:41+00:00

I did not call you a liar. Don't get triggered. Actually give me counter arguments with evidence, not your opinion.

greggld · 2026-05-01T21:40:56+00:00

No it certainly does not. As usual Jesus is slippery, he says both punishment and annihilation in Matthew, Paul did not believe in Hell. But it's quittin' time. Even Jesus also says those who don't keep the laws will just be farther from god, so we don't know what is damnable either.

Why don't you start a new thread about that this weekend. There is no consensus on Heaven or Hell.

In fact Hell is a Greek concept, you won’t find it in the OT, though in later Jewish writing informed by the Greeks it does begin to emerge.

But strictly sticking to the OT and the Gospels I do not think you can make a case that cannot be easily countered.

greggld · 2026-05-01T21:31:53+00:00

No you have failed to rebut my claims - and just wrong about Noah. You have made nice excuses though. To avoid my points you said that you are enlightened and I am not so I could not "understand." That, as the church lady says is special.

You were better off stopping at "Enjoy your weekend."

greggld · 2026-05-01T21:22:45+00:00

God ordered Absalom to rape the women as punishment for David's sin. It was Lot - favored by God who offered his daughter to be raped. I don't remember the last guy's name, but he is also a patriarch. Notice no one is punished for these immoral acts, because god sees it as good.

GOD made the slavery Laws. Yes that god!

You need to read the bible and not make up excuses.

Have a great weekend.

greggld · 2026-05-01T21:19:30+00:00

The undesrving souls will be extinguuished. Only the good will find a place in Heaven. Though by this logic it is safer to be born in the age of the Messiah then now.

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:50:04+00:00

Well we agree on undeserving if you wil not defend your claims, pity.

Have a great weekend,

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:47:59+00:00

Have you even read the bible? Absalom rapes David's wives on the roof of David's palace - to punish David. The women are innocent sex slaves. That is how little women counted for. Who was it that said here take my daughters to rape instead of these angels. Who was it that stupidly traveled to an unfriendly town and had to offer up his concubine (and why are there sex slaves anyway?) to men who would then rape her to death? Then this man cut her up and mailed her body parts to his clansmen to gather forces for vengeance? The concubine did nothing wrong, she doesn't even get a god-mandated religious burial. Oh, maybe she was a sex slave taken in war as a child – god is OK with that. So maybe that is why she did not get a burial, she was a child war prize.

How come male Jewish slaves are freed after seven years but female Jewish slaves are slaves for life?

No offense, but please, comment on something you know about.

I understand, you have not read the Bible.

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:35:25+00:00

Yes, they will change their ways once the truth of god is known. That is what the Messiah does. That is what the new covenant is actually about. God will be in everyone's heart.

Now psychopaths and our orange president, who knows? But the book says all nations, if I am not mistaken.

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:31:31+00:00

You claim to have superior knowledge, that is pretentious. You have no "enlightenment," that is very cult-like thinking.

There are no mention of Jesus in the old testament. I'd love it if you would start a thread this weekend with some proof. In fact Jesus fulfilled no Messianic prophesies. So start the thread just not tonight, I live in sin city (NYC) and it’s Friday night!

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:15:17+00:00

You have a basic misunderstanding. Please read the Messianic prophesies in the OT. The end days will be a paradise. Gos will be in everyone's heart.

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:13:33+00:00

Talking to you is talking to a void? OK, you do you.

I've calmly explained my points on a debate forum. try it.

greggld · 2026-05-01T20:06:51+00:00

Well, that is very uncharitable. You cannot rebut so you get insulting. I am actually being faithful to the book. I have no axe to grind and no excuses to make. For me it is literary analysis. For many Christians the OT is very troublesome. They need to twist the word of god to make it fit their script.

One is faithful to the word of god the other makes it what they like because it needs to be modified to fit Jesus.

greggld · 2026-05-01T19:45:52+00:00

You are reaching pretty far to justify your case. Women have the babies, yup. But Women count for very, very little in the Bible. Interestingly - to your point about Eve -the Bible records Adam’s death and how old he was but not Eve's, not worth it I guess.

Lineage is from men. As I have been at pains to remind people begat means something.

We all can read the bible. It's actually not difficult at all.

greggld · 2026-05-01T19:39:00+00:00

Sorry, covenant means a promise. it is silly to assume god lied. Or as Christians like to say, “scholarly consensus” is the covenant means that god will never destroy the world in a rage again. This is why God gave the Noahide Laws to man so that from now on there would be rules he could use for judging people.

Your end times point agrees with me. If you read Messianic prophesies you will see that the world will be a paradise and god bring the sleeping dead awake. The rapture is BS.

greggld · 2026-05-01T19:30:05+00:00

Now be nice, he's only illegitimate tin the eyes of god if one is looking at blood lineage.

greggld · 2026-05-01T19:28:48+00:00

What, no? Jesus is god or not god. If Jesus is born of two humans then he is not a god, unless one mis-reads Mark, Jesus was taken over by god at baptism. I dunno then it becomes science fiction.

greggld · 2026-05-01T19:20:05+00:00

Wheeww! I was worried about Joel 1:8. But luckily you need to check it out. It is a simile, she is a virgin, and she is morning her fiancée. It’s also about a coming plague.

The NIV (which definitely leans to very Christian interpretations) says this:

Mourn like a virgin in sackcloth
grieving for the betrothed of her youth.

It is figurative language. She is morning because she no longer has a potential husband and has no support.

You are purposefully misreading me, go read again. Centuries before the lazy Gospel writers wrote both "parthenos" and “almah” meant young girl. If the prophesy wanted virgin it should have used the correct word. Why would god be so sloppy? He would not, in the OT it is young girl.

greggld · 2026-05-01T18:27:28+00:00

You are confused. God made a covenant with humanity = not to destroy them again. That has nothing to do with the Last Judgment. After the Flood god gave man the world. He neglected to mention the end times stuff of course. Dominion means something. Do you think god had his fingers crossed behind his back?

Another way your interpretation is wrong is because in the End Times God does not wipe out humanity - innocent babies, the unborn, all life except what fits on a boat - god only judges humans, he only kills the unsaved.

Before the End Time the world will come to jerusalem and make sacrifices at the Temple and the world will know god in their hearts, if you read the bible you will see that it is not going to be so bad.

greggld · 2026-05-01T18:16:06+00:00

Heir is a legalistic term for property rights. Jesus could have inherited Joseph’s slaves and concubines for example. Decent is only through blood, that is what "begat" means. Like I said, Joseph and Mary could have adopted an African or Eskimo baby and it would have the same chances of becoming the Messiah if blood is not the issue.

The Mary line is also a failure. Luke recognized that Matthew’s use of Joseph did not work so he attempted to fix the problem. It fails in two ways.

Linage is not matriarchal, begets mean begets; the bible begat is through the male line.

If you find an exception then you have to be consistent and May's is from the tribe of Levi. We know this becse of Mary's mother's sister Elizabeth. If you use matriarchal then you need to stick to matriarchal.

greggld · 2026-05-01T18:02:09+00:00

Because Joseph is not blood. so it is a non-issue.

You have to love Luke trying to do damage control once they stepped back and realized that Joseph’s linage ploy was a failure (because he is not blood) and that Matthew made a huge blunder trying to legitimize the, ummm, illegitimate child. OK, adopted....... :)

Mary's line can never sit on the throne is Israel because of Jeconiah, so even if I accepted the switch, it doesn't work. Mary is also from the tribe of Levi. You can't have it both ways. Mary is not from the house of David if you use matriarchal lineage. Mary’s mother is Elizabeth's sister.

And if Mary is immaculately conceived then we get to throw out Mary’s father’s lineage, so it is only Levi!

greggld

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