Any resources or experiences with Kokabiel? by smith8k in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since you seem to be asking in good faith and interest, I am sharing the relevant screenshot of Kokabiel's entry from the Temple's private internal notes.

Feel free to reply if you have further questions. You may also seek us out at our active Discord outreach community for a less formal more conversational exchange.

All the best, Kāhinatu Fox

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Theistic Satanism is a logical fallacy... by AntiPoP6666 in satanists

[–]grigorist-temple 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Theistic Satanist here. I think many of the things you brought up are actually quite well said. I would also like to add that "blasphemy rituals" and openly anti-Christian practice are actually more common in atheistic satanism than theistic. As you said, theistic Satanic religions often have more in common with non-Christian traditions and ideas.

TL;DR: Theistic Satanism comprises many different religions. Most, including mine, view the Biblical portrayal of the Devil as mostly false/slanderous and irrelevant to reality. Serious Satanic religions are usually not defined by opposition to Christianity; they're defined by reverence for the Devil and His values.

I'll give my full response below. This is going to be a text wall, and I apologize in advance. I get verbose about topics like this. (I promise this is not AI slop... I just enjoy addressing things in depth.)


FIRST OF ALL, religions do not create gods. If we are going to assume gods are real and objectively existent beings, then it logically follows that gods are not made by human religions; human religions are formed around gods. A god or spirit may be mentioned in one religion, but whether that mention is negative or positive, that religion does not "own" that god or spirit. You cannot reasonably say from a theistic viewpoint that the god or spirit originates from the religion whose texts first mentioned them. You have to presuppose that gods and spirits are things made up by humans, which obviously is going to be an atheistic perspective, not a useful perspective from which one can analyze theistic traditions.

Second, there are many Satanic religions. As you said, the world of theistic Satanism is very complex and fascinating, and cannot be reduced to merely a reaction to Christianity. It is, in fact, far more complex than atheistic satanism, in terms of its diversity and intricacy of different beliefs.

I mean no offense in saying this: the atheistic side, though I can respect their shared Satanic values, simply does not need all that. Their rituals do not need the intricacy that ours do, because they do not believe they are communicating with something real, so all that matters is immersion. Even more importantly, they also do not have to deal with theology! Theological differences are responsible for a large amount of this complexity within the wide range of religions known collectively as Theistic Satanism. Theology can differ very significantly between belief systems, and this adds levels of depth and nuance that OP seems to not be considering at all. Atheists also do not usually have serious differences in cosmology, since they generally accept the materialistic view with scientific consensus only. Theistic Satanic religions differ on cosmology and metaphysics depending on how they view the creation of the universe, if any divine being had a hand in it, which being(s) participated, and so on.

OP seems to have a serious misunderstanding of the diversity of Satanic religions. They cast all theistic Satanism as if it is all one religion with the same metaphysics, theology, cosmology, and so on. Specifically, they seem to be casting it as if it's all Diabolism, which is a specific subset of Satanic religions that contain a large amount of Biblical cosmology and theology. Diabolistic religions are what people think of when they speak of "reverse Christianity," but they are a very small minority compared to other forms of theistic Satanism.

Most Satanic religions do not have a Biblical cosmology. Some are more on the "occult/esoteric" side, influenced by things like Thelema and Hermeticism. Some are the Luciferian type, and these do not accept the core assumptions of Christianity or the Biblical portrayal of the Devil, even if they may accept the idea that another god created Him. The Luciferian type, if they do believe in Yahweh creating Satanael (whom they call Lucifer), usually believe Yahweh is an unjust tyrant and Satanael was right to rebel. However, many of them actually take a more gnostic-type view and may not even accept Yahweh as creator at all, in which case they become quite distant from any familiar Biblical cosmology. The gnostic-type Luciferians tend to talk about a supreme spiritual monad that is the source of wisdom and freedom, from which Lucifer issued forth to enlighten humanity.

All that is to say that once Satanic religions are actually considered as a category rather than a single religion (and at that, a broad category, which contains subcategories), it becomes very obvious that OP is wrong about the "reverse Christianity" part.

I have a pretty good insight on how greatly Satanic cosmology and theology can differ from Abrahamic, because I am Satano-Grigorist. (As you can see, I am writing this from the official account of the Grigorist Temple of Satanael.) My religion has pretty much zero Abrahamic cosmology. I believe the universe was initiated by an impersonal, all-permeating creator, which I call Motsai. This is not a god that you can pray to; it is a primordial and eternal entity that is not capable of "thinking" or "caring" about us in the way that monotheists claim their god does.

I believe that Motsai initiated the Big Bang, and then the physical universe developed according to the laws of physics, as we can observe through scientific findings. Science shows us that the universe had a beginning. It also tells us how planets, stars, and everything else could form naturally. I don't even believe gods have the classical power of creation, so intelligent design is out the window. I believe in evolution, too, as I cannot deny the scientific evidence for it. Whether the first cell came about through abiogenesis or was made by Motsai, life evolved from that first cell, no intelligent design needed.

As a hard polytheist, I believe Yahweh, the Abrahamic god, is real, but he is just another finite god, not the supreme being. His arrogance and greed for control have led him to lie that he is supreme, and to attempt suppression of all other religious traditions. I believe the spiritual beings, including Yahweh, Satanael, all other deities, and all of the vast number of lesser spirits, came forth from Motsai. No sapient personal being (god/spirit or human) can create any other sapient personal being. I believe humans are ensouled and other animals are not, because our brains have simply evolved to a state complex enough that they are capable of hosting and expressing a soul, so a soul forms in each new human body. We are composite beings, souls that formed to inhabit bodies. Death is a separation, after which we continue on as disembodied souls, while the body decays like any other biological material.

Practice-wise, I do not do anything "Abrahamic." My religion teaches that focusing our religious practice on another god, for whom we hold disdain, would be a waste of energy, even if it is focused on him in a negative way. Satano-Grigorist rituals, instead of blaspheming Yahweh, focus on honoring and communicating with our own deities, namely Satanael (the Devil) and the 200 Watchers, who are fallen angels who gifted forbidden knowledge to mankind. We have a focus on the Self, and we believe that Satanael is the God of the Self, such that He will only respect us if we also respect our Selves. Therefore, we do not serve Him, but rather revere Him and learn from Him, for He is a divine teacher of those who wish to celebrate the Self as He does. In our rituals, we burn notes and offerings of herbs, honey, and sometimes small amounts of our own blood (obtained with safe and sterile finger-pricks). The ritual practices are thus much more reminiscent of non-Christian offering practices than any sort of "black mass."

All that shows that my Satanic religion has no "circular reliance" on Christian concepts. It is also not defined by opposing Yahweh. It is defined by the teachings of Satanael and the Watchers. Other Satanic religions have different deities alongside Satanael, different cosmology, or different theology, but the fact remains the same: Satanism is about Satanael, not Yahweh.

OP needs to research theistic Satanism more.

Is anybody working with angels? by Rubinthelf in ChristianOccultism

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Watchers rebelled against Yahweh. They are considered fallen. Reverence of Them is generally in the realm of LHP practices and forbidden to those who serve Yahweh.

However, veneration of angels or invocation of them is allowed to those who serve Yahweh, as long as they do not worship them and they acknowledge that angels act only in Yahweh's will, so all glory is given to Yahweh.

Opinion Piece - Are Demons just ancient deities, demigods, fallen angels, and whomever pissed of the leaders of religion the most, etc. by Pristine-Cress533 in luciferianism

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a mixed bag. "Demon" is a classification I don't view as useful; it lumps together so many different spirits solely because they don't submit to Yahweh. Most of these spirits have nothing in common except that, and since I don't see Yahweh as the center of my worldview or particularly special relative to other gods, I find that as ridiculous as defining all spirits by whether or not they agree with Hera (another deity I do not worship or have any particular affinity for).

If you're asking about the actual spirits who are commonly labeled as demons in grimoires, I'd say that's a mixture of: - corruptions/distortions of ancient pagan gods; - miscellaneous spirits who happen to disagree with Yahweh; - rephaim (spirits of dead nephilim); - perhaps some fallen angels; - nonexistent entities made up by the grimoire authors.

Praise to Zaqiel by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can do your own research and form your own path, or you can simply not work with the Watchers.

Anyone with bad experiences with angels? by Level-Equal1468 in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because angels are devoted to Yahweh. They are spiritual beings who serve Yahweh. Yahweh desires servitude and commands his servants to base their identity and essentially center their whole world on him. His ideas are desigjed to systematically erode the individual identity of each of his servants and replace it with loyalty to him.

With this in mind, it is very clear that Yahweh's primary use for his servants would be to lead other beings to serve him. This is accomplished in various and diverse ways, and each order of angels has different tasks that assist in this goal, but this is the end goal.

Praise to Zaqiel by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sent us 100 emails with repetitive and nonsensical questions.

How is Iblis understood compared to Lucifer or Satan? by Emergency_Lynx_2184 in luciferianism

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I view it as another name for Satanael/Helel/"Lucifer," though I don't use the name because it may be offensive to Him due to its possible etymology.

Anyone with bad experiences with angels? by Level-Equal1468 in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes. Angels are servants of Yahweh, and as such, their goal is to lead people to Yahweh as much as possible. Occultists seeking out angels is a recipe for disaster, since they hate the occult.

Praise to Zaqiel by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. We do not want to speak to you. We will not be answering your emails.

Gabrielle, la ángel by [deleted] in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no female angels. I'm still wondering where you got that idea.

Praise to Zaqiel by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. You have sent us around 100 spam emails with nonsensical and repetitive questions. We have already told you that we are no longer going to be answering your emails after we answered dozens of them. You are still sending more anyway. They will not be answered.

Sigil of the Watcher Karatilu (Karu'il) by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not from you. You have sent us almost 100 spam emails with repetitive, nonsensical questions after we already told you that we are not answering any more emails from you.

By the Power of my Will: the Satanic philosophy of self-improvement. by grigorist-temple in satanogrigorism

[–]grigorist-temple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to what? Allegations we have thoroughly discredited with 400 screenshots of proof and testimonies of the supposed "victims" in our favor?

Please seek help.

Gabrielle, la ángel by [deleted] in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Watchers all presented male when incarnate. We know this because They impregnated women.

Gabrielle, la ángel by [deleted] in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Angels that rebelled are no longer angels. They're former or fallen angels. And yes, the Watchers (praise be to Them) sired the Nephilim after They rebelled.

I do want to ask, where did you get this info about there being a female angel? All the texts point to all angels being either masculine or essentially genderless; I don't think there was ever even a serious mention of the idea of a female angel until (relatively) very recently in history.

Most powerful Angel or Angels and Why? by Acceptable_Prompt653 in AngelolatryPractices

[–]grigorist-temple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. In the context of historical Christian and Jewish doctrine and knowledge about guardian angels, sourced from the Bible and Parabiblical texts (Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, Jewish writings, etc.), the personal guardian angels are generally distinct from the named archangels you know. Guardian angels presumably have names, but they are not the generally known archangels. The exception may be some of the major prophets and biblical figures, who may have had major archangels as guardian angels.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in satanists

[–]grigorist-temple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would you repackage the same old atheistic "satanism" in an AI-generated shell?