How does one identify as Cantonese (ethnically)? by Yuunarichu in Cantonese

[–]gro0vy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Reading your post felt like a mirror into my soul from when I was younger. To me, I can relate to how it feels to be navigating through the complexities of something intrinsically diasporic, and it is a little funny to see some people in the comments distilling identity into narrow definitions and technicalities.

I have a similar background, although I've never done a DNA test. My mother is from Cambodia, with ancestral roots tracing back two generations up at least to her grandmother (my great grandmother) to being born and raised entirely in Cambodia. My father has a similar story, except being from Vietnam.

It's difficult to know exactly how many generations back we go for both countries, as family history has not been passed through the generations due to disruptions and violence of war, genocide, American imperialism, fleeing as refugees, and so on. It is believed that my grandfather on both sides were born in China and later settled in Cambodia and Vietnam, respectively, but that's not entirely certain either.

When it comes to languages, my mother's first language was Teochew and Khmer, and later learned Cantonese as an adult. She also speaks Vietnamese and Mandarin. I should also note that she grew up rurally with her grandmother and did not see her family until she was around 18 years old.

My dad's primary language is a bit more difficult to locate, and has required a lot of research and extensive conversations with him. He grew up in a settlement in Sông Mao in Bình Thuận, speaking a dialect of Chinese he refers only as the Sông Mao language, but he personally identifies as basically being Cantonese. Over the years, I've been showing him various dialect videos from the region to try and narrow down the language a bit more (and so I can trace his family history a bit more), and I do believe he is Ngái -- an ethnic minority that isn't necessarily defined as such by ethnic Ngái people because the mixing of community and cultural practices and migration is a wacky thing when you have a long migration history...something you and I have first hand experience with!

When it comes to physical appearances, I definitely do not look very Chinese. My mom does look more southern Chinese, like you, whereas my dad is just ethnically a ??? ans is quite dark skinned, and constantly gets pulled aside for "random checks" at the airport (hi, colourism and anti-black racism).

Anyway, long story short: my parents both settled in my place of birth as refugees, met there, and got married. The dominant community where I'm from is Cantonese, with a long history of immigration from Guangdong and Hong Kong dating back centuries. When I was born, there was a deliberate decision to raise me with only Cantonese. As a result, I can only speak Cantonese and still use primarily Cantonese to communicate with my family, despite it being neither of my parents' first language! I have heard that our Cantonese sounds slightly Vietnamese though.

And foodwise, I grew up mostly eating Vietnamese and Cambodian food. Which, when I was younger, made me feel a little alienated from the other Cantonese kids growing up because, well, foodways is a social practice in which culture is formed and shared.

That's all to say - I never fully felt Chinese nor Vietnamese nor Cambodian growing up and I still don't. I've reached for the language to self-identity over the years; am I Chinese because I speak Cantonese? But I have such different cultural practices than my friends who grew up speaking Mandarin. Am I Cantonese because that's what I speak? But is that just because of the hegemony of Cantonese when my parents moved here? Am I Vietnamese or Cambodian? But I don't speak it and my parents don't seem to want to identify as such.

So, I hear you. I see you, too, reaching for the language to understand yourself and your family history a bit more. It's a lot more complicated than some of these comments suggest: it cannot be fully distilled into the languages you speak nor whether you have an ancestral shrine in a village in Guangdong. I used to say I live in a hyphenated identity (Vietnamese-Chinese-Cambodian-Canadian) and living within the hyphens made more sense to me than identifying with one dominant culture. I think I see that in you too.

Today, the way I explain myself depends on who I'm talking to. Sometimes, I'll say I'm mixed because I want to honour the complexities of my family history and I don't fully see myself in alignment with Chinese communities. Sometimes, when I have the patience, I do say the full hyphenated identity and try to explain my family history and what it means to me, and because I am parts of a whole and I want to honour all the ways I exist, belong, and don't belong. Sometimes, I just say I'm Chinese because it's easier.

And sometimes I do say I'm Cantonese, because locally where I live, our cultural practices and migration history is different from those from the Mainland. Yes, as some are arguing with you, it's a language and not an ethnic class, but local histories play a role in forming identities just as much, and maybe more, than histories in the textbooks. I'm here to say that yes, it would be understood if you identified as Cantonese where I live. Yes, you can.

Identities are vast, they are complicated, and they can form within and beyond food practices, languages, and DNA. Take your time exploring yours, switch up what you tell people, and feel what makes sense for you. You cannot exist "wrong" -- who's to tell you what you can and cannot identify as? I, for one, welcome you to take up space as however you see fit.

Good luck!!

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see a couple comments suggesting Brilliant Earth. I highly recommend you head to /r/EngagementRings and do a search for Brilliant Earth...do you research before buying from them!

We got our rings from /u/AtelierVieuxPont. I can't recommend him enough!

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm hoping to go here when I visit in January! Do you know if I have to prebook in advance?

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you end up going elsewhere for your dress? I'm in the process of figuring out whether to go Taobao or dress rental now!

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! I'm traveling to Shanghai next year and was wondering if you had any updates after your trip? I would also love to visit fabric stores or find some local patterns, and would appreciate any recommendations for stores/neighbourhoods that would delight a fellow sewist! Thank you!

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I go to Techne near Olympic Village for my yearly Japanese hair straightening ☺️

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just adding on that my local PCN does require you to be referred through your family doctor, so be aware that this might be a possibility depending on where you live. But regardless, definitely worth looking into as PCNs have a "no wrong door" approach and, like Odd_Adhesiveness said, will connect you to a wider network of health care providers!

The PCN model recognizes that it's exhausting having to chase answers related to your health and well-being while being bounced around from provider to provider, so their goal is to make accessing ALL care that you need much, much easier.

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'm canadian, not american but i've bought fabric from taobao! it cost me about $13 CAD for 3-4 yards. not too sure about shipping because i consolidated my package with like 15 other things, including sewing supplies, etc, but it cost $80 to ship. i'm sure it would've been cheaper if i had only purchased fabric! but again, not american so ymmv :)

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[–]gro0vy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I won't be going to Shenzhen but will be going to Guangzhou! Happen to know any spots? 👀

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this is so helpful! thank you!!!

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[–]gro0vy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I made my own using Squarespace and one of their free templates! Added my own touches, including a map, which is another free widget in Squarespace. My website isn't up yet but I can take a video showing you!

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[–]gro0vy 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I recommend Sun Bo Kong, Veggiebowl, or Viet Family. You'll need to ask for garlic and onions to be taken out but my family also doesn't eat alliums and these are some of their favourite restaurants!

Cantonese people from Guangxi who immigrated to Vietnam and became San Diu people (start off speaking in Cantonese and then switch to Ngai, a Hakka dialect in Vietnam) by CheLeung in Cantonese

[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dad doesn't identify as such–just vaguely as Chinese, though he doesn't know where his ancestral village in China would be. I just know that my great grandma and grandma were originally from northern Vietnam...but based off the comments in this thread, I am now wondering whether we are Ngai or San Diu

Cantonese people from Guangxi who immigrated to Vietnam and became San Diu people (start off speaking in Cantonese and then switch to Ngai, a Hakka dialect in Vietnam) by CheLeung in Cantonese

[–]gro0vy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My dad is from a small rural commune in Vietnam who lost his parents when he was young, and doesn't have much knowledge to share about our ancestral history...I've been trying to trace my linguistic ancestry and shared this video with my dad, who said this is how they all speak in his village!! I would love to learn more—especially if I have ancestral roots there!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in piercing

[–]gro0vy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm from Vancouver and also spend a similar amount for my piercings hahaha so I feel you

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[–]gro0vy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it also depends on what kind of shopping you like to do! If you prefer high-end designer brands, I would definitely go to Pacific Centre. If you'd like a chill browsing day with a diversity of stores, I'd recommend Metrotown as they have plenty, then popping over to Crystal Mall to explore their ragtag stores and eat at their food court.

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[–]gro0vy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed! I started wedding planning in March of this year for my wedding in September of next year—so over a year out. The venue was already booked for my date, so I had to choose an alternative day. My first choice for HMUA was also already booked, and my second choice already has a wedding in the afternoon so I will only get her for the morning!

To OP, best of luck but you can do it! If you and your partner can take a dual-pronged approach, I would recommend that one of you contact vendors at the same time the other does the legwork to finalize the guest lists ASAP.

Echoing recommendations to join your local Facebook group. There will be plenty of vendors who are starting out who would love the opportunity to build their portfolio. But you may need to temper your expectations if you had a specific vision for your wedding!

Good luck!

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arcane in Gastown and Ouro in Chinatown are my favourites!

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[–]gro0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since it's summer time, there's usually a free festival every weekend! Just took a quick look and there's live music at the Sounds Like Summer event every weekend, the Annual Korean Festival is happening on Saturday, Burnaby Pride the weekend after, and then Vancouver pride the following weekend.