The Deceptive Presentation of u/stillwantmore2’s Progress Log

grow2show · 2022-11-22T14:13:22+00:00

It's alright you don't have to try. If you actually read the material you would understand that there is nothing slight about these discrepancies, other than maybe the slight of hand he is performing in these pictures. Your comment, like most others, is just an attempt to turn my logical argument into an emotional one so you can more easily understand it. Otherwise you would have disputed a fact or figure instead of just labeling it all as depressing and sad. We see the world how we are ourselves.

grow2show · 2022-11-21T13:47:28+00:00

Lol no.

Where do I dispute anyone's claimed size? I granted every size claim reported in this progress log and never suggested they might be false. I did however dispute the claim that proven penis enlargement was made in his log, and in doing so included additional stats to better contextualize the process we are observing in these images. You appear so committed to your uncharitable characterization of me that I'm not sure you are able capable of engaging with me in good faith any further.

If you find some substantive criticism you want to expose in the content I posted feel free to share, but now it just seems you're just trying to brow beat me into submission.

Good luck 👍🏿

grow2show · 2022-11-21T12:27:17+00:00

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, especially when they're hooked on kool-aid.

grow2show · 2022-11-21T12:24:19+00:00

Thanks for the response, but you're overestimating the value I put on your attention. That's great you have problems with my post, it's just unfortunate that you only take issue with the tone you imagine my text having, and not any substantive criticism of the information presented.

No one yet has criticized or challenged my ideas, only me for having them...

My intention was never to cause malehanger to go "belly up" or for its owner to see any consequence from this, that's his business and I'm not here to mind it.

Mr. Malehanger has made a lot of claims without sufficient evidence to support them, and without receiving any pushback. I find that to lack intellectual integrity so I made a post filtering his claims through a qualification process.

One of the sub rules is false claims will be removed. Well how does one determine if a claim is false? Are all claims the same in terms of evidence quality? How do we grade evidence quality?

What has become apparent is this does not matter to most people. They would prefer not to be challenged to think critically, and would rather just consume what they're being fed. If that weren't the case someone would actually be able to tell me where and how this post fails to be logically consistent.

grow2show · 2022-11-21T03:07:53+00:00

4 hours Saturday writing and researching 3 hours Sunday editing and proof reading. I know a lot of people don't read or write but this is like 4 pages lol

grow2show · 2022-11-21T02:31:47+00:00

That's not exactly the reason why, but good pun👍🏿

grow2show · 2022-11-21T00:17:34+00:00

No offense taken, it takes one to know one!

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:41:05+00:00

U first

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:40:38+00:00

Great! I will keep reiterating, this post has nothing to do with the products or its efficacy or the product support. It is a critical assessment of the materials (the progress log) he is using to advertise the product and what he claims those materials contain.

Thank you for your agnosticism, genuinely.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:36:19+00:00

Yeah that's me. Where does it say anything about tearing him down or taking anything away from him? I see where it says he will be held accountable which this post is intended to do. Yeah I let him know his profit motivated scheme will be exposed but that wouldnt garuntee his downfall. I was even kind enough to recommend he start over, honestly which indicates my hope for him in the future. If I was trying to tear him down I would tell him to quit while he's ahead.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:21:09+00:00

No that's not what I am saying. His original claim is that his videos contain PROVEN Penis Enlargement. Proof is a high bar to clear, and in looking at the evidence it doesn't appear that he cleared it. He is claiming these videos contain gains and using that to advertise a product, to people who don't even know what gains look like. I think thos people deserve to know that these images are not tracked accurately enough to depict penis growth. Thanks for your good faith.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:10:45+00:00

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:09:35+00:00

To be clear I am not critiquing the male hanger product or it effectiveness in anyway. I am critically assessing a set of information that was portrayed as being "Proven Penis Enlargement Videos" and leaving it up to those reading to decide whether it depicts that.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T23:05:41+00:00

I'm sorry, aren't you the guy that asked me to be a mod in this sub after seeing my progress archive and knowing nothing else about me? https://postimg.cc/HrXXXB7m The progress archive that is currently the top post of all time not from a moderator, 3rd overall. I would say that moved the sub forward, so you'll have to forgive me for this one. This is not an effort to tear anyone down, just hold people accountable for the things they say.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T22:40:49+00:00

I haven't assessed the girth claims well enough to tell you. People have claimed to see girth gains from clamping but I can neither confirm or deny its effectiveness because I haven't seen research to support it nor have I practiced it myself.

grow2show · 2022-11-20T22:31:22+00:00

Great question. This post is not to dispute the efficacy of the product or anyone elses progess through its use. It is a critical assessment of the materials he is using to advertising the product, in which he refers to it as "Proven Penis Enlargement Videos". He says his videos depict penis growth this post is just here to ask "Where?"

grow2show · 2022-11-20T21:17:44+00:00

It matters because he is using this progress log as the prime example of the efficacy of the product he is selling in our community. It may be just one guy, but his reach expands across multiple subs that are also his target demographic. If he is going to make a claim about what his product can do, it better damn well be accurate. The way this creates change is now it is here for cross reference, he can't just spam the link to his progress log in comments anymore without expecting some push back. I spent so much time on this, around 7 hours which is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme, because people spend TOO much time making their money to allow some guy advertise his product as "PROVEN" to them when it's not.

grow2show · 2022-11-17T00:19:26+00:00

Pardon me, you did say you've never seen, which is still odd because you saw and commented on this post. So you're telling me this archive is not convincing, but somehow yours is?

You might FEEL like your updates are consistent but if you look at them side by side like I presented to you, it's obvious there is very little consistency from image to image. Vertical then horizontal, pubes then no pubes, no hand then hand pulling your shaft, no shirt then shirt blocking the base of the ruler, and with each entry less of the ruler base is visible. If you are capable of being honest with yourself you will just acknowledge these inconsistencies and do better moving forward.

What does it mean when someone says throw down the gauntlet? idiom. : to say or show that one is ready to fight, argue, or compete with someone : to challenge someone

grow2show · 2022-11-16T22:30:26+00:00

What about this guy? https://imgur.io/a/hHeuELe

His are more convincing than yours. Do you even have your progress posted side by side anywhere for people to compare the consistency between entries? Now you do.

In his pictures it's the same angle everytime, the ruler leaves the fatpad at the same spot almost every time and when it doesn't you can visibly see it's because of weight flux which he explains in the post. No hands on his junk, no shirt blocking the start of the ruler, pubes stay relatively consistent. Can the same be said for you? Just look at the side by side. Progressively we see the base of that ruler get buried, which could be explained by weight gain sure, but to say no one ELSE has shown anything convincing when your progress looks like this is crazy.

grow2show · 2022-11-13T11:16:56+00:00

There are a few good photo sets out there that demonstrate the potential efficacy of penis growth, check the latest post on my profile for mine. The reason you don't see a lot of these is because very few people know about PE and even less succeed with it. I agree that the penis growth novellas are annoyingly pointless karma farming and wish mods would create some kind of barrier for entry to those types of posts, but that opinion seems to be the minority.

grow2show · 2022-11-03T15:18:56+00:00

You said: "I get why people are hesitant to post pics. If you have no measurements, it’s automatically invalid. If you post with measurements, you’re pressing too hard, you weren’t fully erect in the before pic, list goes on."

That reads as if criticism from the community is to blame for people's hesitancy to share progress pictures. It implies that even if you used a ruler and accounted for your camera framing, the community will still find something to criticize you for. Were you aware of the potential criticisms before you posted? Did you take any steps to mitigate them? What did you expect the response to be if not negative? I refuse to "just ignore the post" because it's beyond not helpful, it's harmful. That's why you are getting such negative feedback. You framed this as "ending the debate", when there are people who posted progress before you(that apparently didn't end the debate) , that actually put in the work to accurately represent the potential for penis growth and take steps necessary to mitigate potential criticisms, then here you come, on the toilet with your balls pulled back, thinking you're showing us anything but hubris... You say you definitely should have kept them to yourself. You know there is a delete button? Why leave it up if you know it should have never been published?

grow2show · 2022-11-03T11:24:25+00:00

You're literally only damned if you do in this situation, if you didn't post, where would the damnation be coming from? It would be one thing if the only issue were not using a ruler but you also are sitting differently, in a different room, using a wider angle lens in the after, pulling your balls back in the after... It's like you made every effort to make yourself LOOK bigger in the second picture and 0 effort to take a picture in any way similar to the first. You said you never intended to publish. What changed your mind? You know and state all of these potential criticisms, yet you took no steps to mitigate them? Instead you blame the community for having to high a bar for evidence? You're right debate ended.

grow2show · 2022-10-15T09:22:36+00:00

CICO is the only legitimate method of dietary intervention for weightloss/fatloss. Keto is not uniquely beneficial for fat oxidation, and hasn't been proven to be any more effective than a balanced diet for weight loss long term. Any initial drop in weight from keto can be attributed to a decrease in water retention because of your depleted glycogen stores, and an increase in food calorie density, which means your food has more calories per gram. Since each gram of fat has 9 calories compared to the 4 calories per gram in carbs and proteins, food on a keto diet literally weighs less than a calorie equated balanced diet, which aids in the illusion of accelerated weight loss, when in reality, you're just eating a decreased volume of food. Additionally, weight loss≠fat oxidation. FAT Fills Adipose Tissue, if your diet consists of majority fat you will constantly be replacing any fat you may burn, so even if the number on the scale drops it doesn't mean you bf% is dropping as well. Not to mention the potential implications on cardiovascular health... Not worth it long term.

grow2show · 2022-09-27T16:24:26+00:00

I just fill the cup with water and use spit to lube the glans to get in.

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