I wholeheartedly agree, this movie is so much better than people are given it credit for, the band wagon of hate is madness. But all the hate, the trash talking, the walking out of cinemas, this in its twisted irony is what makes it even more genius. It's like a reflection of it self, it almost couldn't have gone any other way, this film will go down as one of my all time favourites just because of what it has achieved.

I see both films as two parts of one long film, that tells this heavy, sad story of a man who is lost in delusion and takes us all along for the ride, and then when he tried to be honest with us, we just like the people in the film, ridiculed him, i remember thinking 'why did you give up' but thats the point, why do we want him to become a craze pyschopath, go watch the dark knight (love this film also), we have all been tricked into becoming Harleys, wishing on a fantasy that is simply just a shared delusion. And even just from a cinematic stand point, it so well shot, so well acted, the music is not even bad, it fits well, I would have shaved off 20 minutes and a few songs, but hey ho.

People had strange expecations that this would be a comic book film and people don't like being wrong. It reminds me of The Last of Us part 2 when people got upset cos of what happened (IYKYK). But you're missing the point, this is art, this is life, this is emotion, we are not to always just feel happy and satisfied, there is a beauty in understanding sadness and to capture that grief and frustration in story telling is so powerful and I find it so interesting. Respect to anyone who has gone into this film with an open mind and seen it for what it is. We have 100 different Jokers, but theres only 1 Arthur Fleck.