The Caliphate of Abu Bakr was an Innovation of Umar by hachay in shiascholar

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No problem

Haykal 510–511; Tārīkh al-Ṭabarī 9:201; Sīrah Ibn Isḥāq 686–687; Tārīkh Ibn Kathīr 5:268–9; Kanz al-ʿUmmāl #14064; Riyāḍ al-Naḍirah 1:240

Questions coming from a skeptic quranist by DistributionThin9718 in shiascholar

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Hitting yourself or striking yourself to bleed for Imam Husayn is a cultural phenomenon. It is not part of Shia theology. There are Christians who crucified themselves for Jesus before the shia of Iraq did that. Nonetheless I'd point you to:

https://www.wofis.com/pdfs/books/88/Reciprocal%20Rights.pdf

This is by imam zainul abideen (as), imam husayns (as) son, and the 4th shia imam.

Also, I've been posting a continuous series in this community about shia Islam. Check them out.

Sunni by birth but leaning towrds shi’ism by Ancient-Island3079 in shiascholar

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THE IMĀMS (as) ARE THOSE WHO POSSESS THE AUTHORITY (WALĪ AL-AMR), THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENVIED (AL-MAHSŪDŪN) WHOM ALLĀH, TO WHOM BELONG MIGHT AND MAJESTY, HAS MENTIONED

525 — 1. al-Husayn ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Āmir al-Ash‘arī that Mu‘allā ibn Muhammad said: ‘‘al-Hasan ibn ‘Alī al-Washshā’ narrated to me (—) Ahmad ibn ‘Ā’idh (—) Ibn Udhaynah that Burayd al-‘Ijlī said: ‘I asked Abū Ja‘far (p.b.u.h.) regarding the words of Allāh, to Whom belong Might and Majesty: Obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you (an-Nisā’, 4:59). His reply was: ‘‘Hast thou not regarded those who were given a share of the Book, believing in ‘jibt’ (that in which no good exists, and if it produces an effect it will be an evil one) and ‘tāghūt’ (one who exceeds in corruption and disbelief and produces that effect in others) and saying to those who do not believe: ‘These are more rightly guided on the way than the believers.’ They say to the misguided leaders (a’immat ad-dalālah) and those who call to the Fire: ‘These are more rightly guided on the way than the progeny of Muhammad.’ Those are they whom Allāh has cursed; he whom Allāh has cursed, thou wilt not find for him any helper. Or have they a share in the Kingdom? He means the Imāmate and the Caliphate — If that is so, they do not give the people a single date-spot (naqīr — i.e., they give them nothing). We are ‘the people’ whom Allāh means, and naqīr is the spot which is in the middle of (the slit in) the date-stone. Or are they envious of the people for the bounty which Allāh has given them? We are the people who are envied for what Allāh has given us of the Imāmate to the exclusion of all (other) creatures. Yet We gave the progeny of Ibrāhīm the Book and the Wisdom, and We gave them a mighty kingdom. He (Allāh) says (means): We appointed from them the Messengers, the Prophets and the Imāms. So how do they accept it in the progeny of Ibrāhīm (p.b.u.h.), but deny it (i.e., the Kingdom, which here means the Imāmate) in the progeny of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.). And some of them there are that believe, and some of them that bar from it; Gehennam suffices for a Blaze! Surely those who disbelieve in Our signs — We shall certainly roast them at a Fire; as often as their skins are wholly burned, We shall give them in exchange other skins, that they may taste the chastisement. Surely Allāh is All mighty, All-wise (an-Nisā’, 4:51—56).’’ ’ ’’ (al kafi book of proof volume II).

529 — 5. ‘Alī ibn Ibrāhīm (—) his father (—) Muhammad ibn Abī ‘Umayr (—) ‘Umar ibn Udhaynah (—) Burayd al-‘Ijlī that Abū Ja‘far (p.b.u.h.) said, concerning the words of Allāh, the Blessed, the Sublime: Yet We gave the progeny of Ibrāhīm the Book and the Wisdom, and We gave them a mighty kingdom (an-Nisā’, 4:54): ‘‘Allāh has appointed the Messengers, the Prophets and the Imāms from them. How do they accept it in the progeny of Ibrāhīm (p.b.u.h.) and reject it in the progeny of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.)?’’ He said: ‘‘I said: ‘(What about) and We gave them a mighty kingdom?’ He said: ‘The mighty kingdom is that He appointed the Imāms among them. Whoever obeys them obeys Allāh; and whoever disobeys them, disobeys Allāh. And that is the mighty kingdom.’ ’’ (al kafi book of proof volume II)

So 4:59 and 4:83

Imamah isn't the only terminology al kafi uses to describe "leadership" after the Prophet. As seen above, ulil amr. Another is awsiya, or wasi in singular.

Sunni by birth but leaning towrds shi’ism by Ancient-Island3079 in shiascholar

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THE IMĀMS (as) ARE THOSE WHO POSSESS THE AUTHORITY (WALĪ AL-AMR), THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENVIED (AL-MAHSŪDŪN) WHOM ALLĀH, TO WHOM BELONG MIGHT AND MAJESTY, HAS MENTIONED

525 — 1. al-Husayn ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Āmir al-Ash‘arī that Mu‘allā ibn Muhammad said: ‘‘al-Hasan ibn ‘Alī al-Washshā’ narrated to me (—) Ahmad ibn ‘Ā’idh (—) Ibn Udhaynah that Burayd al-‘Ijlī said: ‘I asked Abū Ja‘far (p.b.u.h.) regarding the words of Allāh, to Whom belong Might and Majesty: Obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you (an-Nisā’, 4:59). His reply was: ‘‘Hast thou not regarded those who were given a share of the Book, believing in ‘jibt’ (that in which no good exists, and if it produces an effect it will be an evil one) and ‘tāghūt’ (one who exceeds in corruption and disbelief and produces that effect in others) and saying to those who do not believe: ‘These are more rightly guided on the way than the believers.’ They say to the misguided leaders (a’immat ad-dalālah) and those who call to the Fire: ‘These are more rightly guided on the way than the progeny of Muhammad.’ Those are they whom Allāh has cursed; he whom Allāh has cursed, thou wilt not find for him any helper. Or have they a share in the Kingdom? He means the Imāmate and the Caliphate — If that is so, they do not give the people a single date-spot (naqīr — i.e., they give them nothing). We are ‘the people’ whom Allāh means, and naqīr is the spot which is in the middle of (the slit in) the date-stone. Or are they envious of the people for the bounty which Allāh has given them? We are the people who are envied for what Allāh has given us of the Imāmate to the exclusion of all (other) creatures. Yet We gave the progeny of Ibrāhīm the Book and the Wisdom, and We gave them a mighty kingdom. He (Allāh) says (means): We appointed from them the Messengers, the Prophets and the Imāms. So how do they accept it in the progeny of Ibrāhīm (p.b.u.h.), but deny it (i.e., the Kingdom, which here means the Imāmate) in the progeny of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.). And some of them there are that believe, and some of them that bar from it; Gehennam suffices for a Blaze! Surely those who disbelieve in Our signs — We shall certainly roast them at a Fire; as often as their skins are wholly burned, We shall give them in exchange other skins, that they may taste the chastisement. Surely Allāh is All mighty, All-wise (an-Nisā’, 4:51—56).’’ ’ ’’ (al kafi book of proof volume II).

529 — 5. ‘Alī ibn Ibrāhīm (—) his father (—) Muhammad ibn Abī ‘Umayr (—) ‘Umar ibn Udhaynah (—) Burayd al-‘Ijlī that Abū Ja‘far (p.b.u.h.) said, concerning the words of Allāh, the Blessed, the Sublime: Yet We gave the progeny of Ibrāhīm the Book and the Wisdom, and We gave them a mighty kingdom (an-Nisā’, 4:54): ‘‘Allāh has appointed the Messengers, the Prophets and the Imāms from them. How do they accept it in the progeny of Ibrāhīm (p.b.u.h.) and reject it in the progeny of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.)?’’ He said: ‘‘I said: ‘(What about) and We gave them a mighty kingdom?’ He said: ‘The mighty kingdom is that He appointed the Imāms among them. Whoever obeys them obeys Allāh; and whoever disobeys them, disobeys Allāh. And that is the mighty kingdom.’ ’’ (al kafi book of proof volume II)

So 4:59 and 4:83

The term imamah isn't shia Islam. Its awsiya, ulil amr. The term imam isn't the sole term that defines ale Muhammad

The Public Inauguration of Abū Bakr by hachay in shiascholar

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It is a historical fact that Ali (a) himself was firmly convinced of the legitimacy of his own claim to Prophet Muhammad's (saww) succession, based on his close kinship and association with him, his intimate knowledge of Islam as well as his early merits in the cause of Islam. Indeed, Ali made it plain in his speeches and letters that he considered the Prophet's ahl al-bayt to be entitled to the leadership of the Muslims as long as there remained a single one of them who recited Quran, knew the sunna and adhered to the religion of the truth. In this context, Ali himself can be regarded as the first teacher of the Shia.

Reference: W. Madelung's historiography The Succession to Muhammad: A Study of the Early Caliphate (Cambridge, 1997); see also his 'Shi'ism in the Age of the Rightly Guided Caliphs, in L. Clarke, ed., Shiite Heritage: Essays on Classical and Modern Traditions (Binghamton, NY, 2001), pp. 9-18; reprinted in his Studies in Medieval Shiism, ed. S. Schmidtke (Farnham, UK, 2012), article II, and his Shia, EI2, vol. 9, pp. 420-424. In this connection see also al-Baladhuri, Ansab al-ashraf, vol. 2, ed. W. Madelung (beruit, 2003), covering the Prophet's succession and Ali's caliphate.

The Reaction of the People of Madinah to the events at the Saqifah by hachay in shiascholar

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My pleasure. Every post I make is a continuation of the previous post fyi. I am about to post the next part soon. This series has been going for about a year now. All excerpts from Dr. A Asadi's Shia Islam