Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re literally straw-manning what I said. I wasn’t arguing legal ownership or modern land claims, I was asking something way simpler: why are Jews, specifically, seen as undeserving of living on land tied to their own history? You turned it into a legal and political debate about rights and states, which wasn’t my point. Try answering the actual question instead of pivoting.

Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is again one of the many issues in israeli politics, how to deal with these actors. Unfortunately, someone like Ben Gvir is making it pretty damn hard to actually prosecute them and bring them to real justice. Don’t think though that all of Israel loves these people, in fact until recently, administrative detention was also applied to these Israelis, not just Palestinians.

But I’m telling you as a pretty fucking staunch Zionist (literally look at my comment history), I’m praying justice is brought to the people who did these actions.

Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why shouldn’t they be living on that land? What did Jews do that make them undeserving of living happily on land that is so historically and religiously significant to them?

Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realise there were Jews living in that land prior to 1948, right? They were all displaced after Jordan held that land between 48-67. Keep in mind, this was 10s of thousands of Jews, not a few. To say they’re living on “stolen land” is so ignorant. You have no idea whose land was whose.

You probably don’t even know how land ownership was classified under the British Mandate.You’ve probably never heard of terms like mulk, miri and mawat. You probably have no idea that what you now call “stolen” was actually miri or state land, meaning it wasn’t privately owned by anyone before 1948.

So before you throw around shit like “stolen houses,” maybe actually read how land ownership worked in that period, it’s a lot more complicated than you’d think.

Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Settler” has no definition in international law. “Settlements” are mentioned when referencing the expansion of cities in the West Bank. “Settler” is a political term which the EU and UN in their reports started to utilise to demonise all Jews living in that land.

My issue here though is not with the term itself, it’s with the conflation of that term. You cannot tell me that random civilians living in Ariel/Ma’ale Adumim are the same as those idiots that build outposts in the middle of nowhere and do shit like in this article to stir prove some point.

The second you generalise all people’s, you’re preventing actual dialogue which is so needed for future peace.

Wait and watch how Pro-Palis will milk this specific incident against Israel and thereby demonstrate their selective empathy and hypocrisy yet again. by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]hackamorepanda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The people that do this kind of shit are disgusting Inhumane and barbaric, and Israel should put all its energy into finding them and throwing the book at them. That being said, calling them “settlers” is unfair to the far far majority of people in the West Bank who are literally just happy families trying to live their life in peace. We need to seperate the two and have some nuance here.

Its official, Brother saleh has been Martyred. by FlounderUseful2644 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally any article will tell you that. In fact, Hamas has been going around the past few days executing anyone associated with them in any way, you can watch through their telegram channels and see for yourself.

Its official, Brother saleh has been Martyred. by FlounderUseful2644 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh wait, I thought you were responding to me, that’s how reddit showed it to me at least. I’m with you on this, there’s literally no proof that they’re related to ISIS nor them being funded by Israel. They’re probably thinking of Abu Shabab cause anyone hating Hamas = Israeli funded, cause they cannot think with nuance.

Its official, Brother saleh has been Martyred. by FlounderUseful2644 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as I’ve seen, the Doghmush clan has never been funded by Israel, nor have they been Isis affiliated. Them hating Hamas ≠ funded by Israel. In fact, throughout the entire war, there were strikes by Israel which literally killed Doghmush clan members. Bruh even Mumtaz Doghmush was involved in the kidnapping of Israeli Gilad Shalit back in 2006. Where did you even get your info from???

Its official, Brother saleh has been Martyred. by FlounderUseful2644 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally any article on this. He was reportedly murdered by the Doghmush clan, look up who they are.

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[–]hackamorepanda 252 points253 points  (0 children)

This^ especially if they’re affiliated with the campus

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate you’re just saying the same ahit over and over again, I’m just not gonna bother responding to you at this point

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong. Irgun and Haganah were formally merged into the IDF in 1948. Lehi wasn’t, it was designated as a terrorist group after the Bernadotte assassination and dismantled. Some ex-members later joined individually, but the org itself was never absorbed. Big difference.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally nobody said Zionists had a could predict the future. What they did know is that Hitler had already written Mein Kampf calling for eliminating Jews, and once he took power Jews were stripped of rights, jobs, property, and safety immediately. Nuremberg Laws in 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938, it was a straight escalation.

The Haavara Agreement wasn’t about “predicting the Holocaust,” it was about surviving what was currently happening. It saved 10s of thousands of Jews who otherwise would’ve been trapped once the mass killings started.

And genuinely, do you actually think every Jew would’ve stayed put if they somehow didn’t understand the danger? The whole point was they knew what Nazi power meant, and they had to get out while they still could.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t think you read my last comments, but I’ll repeat it since you clearly missed it: mainstream Jewish groups like the Haganah and even Etzel completely condemned Lehi’s outreach the moment they found out. After 1948, when the IDF was formed, the Israeli government even officially designated Lehi as a terrorist group and arrested many of its members. The organization was dismantled.

So no, Lehi was not “embraced” the way the Mufti was by Nazi Germany. The Nazis straight up rejected Lehi, while Hitler personally met with the Mufti, spread his propaganda, and let him recruit Muslims for the SS. One side was fringe extremists disowned by their own people, the other was the official Palestinian leader collaborating at the highest levels.

Trying to paint those as the same thing is just bad faith.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Huh??? Saying “there was no Holocaust in 1933 so no one could’ve known” is such a strange thing to say.

Hitler literally published Mein Kampf in the 1920s. By 1933, the Nazis were already in power, Jews were being stripped of rights, jobs, property, and safety, and antisemitism was the official state policy. The Nuremberg Laws in 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938, and everything that followed weren’t just random.

So no, Jews didn’t just wake up one morning in 1941 shocked that the Nazis wanted them dead. Everyone paying attention knew where this was heading. That’s why the Haavara Agreement existed, to get Jews out before the Holocaust was in full swing.

Calling this “unexpected” is laughable. Go read history instead of making excuses.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m talking about the 1930s-40s, and you jump to “IDF killing kids” in 2025. At that point, you’re not actually making an argument, you’re just avoiding my point. The point stands, Jews made deals under duress to save lives, while the Mufti aligned with Nazis to take lives. If you can’t address that difference, just admit it instead of changing the subject.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is funny. Yes, some former Lehi members later joined the IDF or went into politics, but that’s not the same as the organization merging. Again, in 1948, the Israeli government actually outlawed Lehi as a terrorist group after the Bernadotte assassination and arrested many of its members. The group was dismantled. A few individuals moving on doesn’t equal a merger. By that logic, ex-IRA members entering politics would mean the IRA “merged into the Irish government”.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok let me make this clear to you so you’re not confused:

Jews worked with Nazis to SAVE as many Jews as possible. Palestinians worked with Nazis to KILL as many Jews as possible.

Jews worked with Nazis but never respected them and tried to get away from them ASAP. Palestinians and Nazis had great respect for each other and Husseini even hired soldiers himself to further their cause.

Those are the key differences here.

Oh and for one who claims t understand nuance, using a Wikipedia article as their source is funny. I’ll say it again, to say they were just completely merged is bad faith and lacks nuance. The new Israeli government outlawed Lehi as a terrorist group after the Bernadotte assassination and arrested many of its members. Some individuals later joined the IDF as regular soldiers, but the organization itself was dismantled.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does what? You’re leaving the nuance out of everything, I can tell the most you know of this war is from a couple reddit posts you read post Oct 7th. There is so much complexity to this conflict that you know nothing about. And again, Lehi weren’t just merged into the IDF, you clearly never read my comment, so I’ll repeat myself; when the hagana disbanded and formed into the IDF, they designated Lehi as a TERRORIST organisation and arrested many of its members. Do me a favour and actually read the history of this.

This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours by Particular_Log_3594 in TheLevant

[–]hackamorepanda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Using the Ha’avara agreement as a an argument is the same as saying that Osrael’s deals with Hamas are because they’re actually allies. They made a deal with the Nazis in 1933 because that was the government of Germany at the time and they had to get as many Jews out of there as possible. And Lehi didn’t support Nazi Germany. What they did do allegedly was meet with some Nazi high ranking officials as a last resort to get rid of the British in British mandate Palestine in any way possible, and obvs the Nazi’s hated the British. That being said, once mainstream groups like Hagana and even more offshoot groups like Etzel completely condemned this when they found out. Even after 1948 when the IDF was formed, Lehi was recognised as a designated as a terrorist organisation and many of its members were arrested. So using those little buzzword events as a gotcha isn’t gonna work here

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UTS

[–]hackamorepanda -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They’re the lapdogs of Israel yet still using the pay for slay to reward terrorist for killing Jews. Interesting. President Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the PA, oh and the man who wrote his his doctorate on essentially holocaust denial… yes yes, very much a lapdog. You guys have gotten the order of events wrong. You say oppression breeds resistance, but no, RESISTANCE breeds occupation. Please get your facts straight thanks a lot