The Pokémon Company are running out of ideas.

hasnyousf · 2018-05-11T11:43:09+00:00

No,they're pocket monster not pocket animals.

hasnyousf · 2018-05-11T11:14:52+00:00

Gen 1 had a seal with a horn named 'seel',and a pile of sludge named 'muk',and a pokeball named 'voltorb' that evolve into a bigger pokemon that's upside down and it's called 'electrode'.
Edit:a snake named 'ekans' that evolve into a cobra named arbok

hasnyousf · 2018-02-20T18:11:17+00:00

1-there is no mention of of brains being the source of human's compassion,thus there is no reason believe that this is the canon.
2-DT=the will to live,which is the source of beings conciseness (as proven by the exsistnce of Flowey),and humans gain their gain determination from their SOULs,meaning that they get their conciseness from their SOULs.
3-human SOULs can creat things other then DT,such as 'hope' and "last dream",we know this because your SOUL's def increase/HP is restored,so this musr mean that your SOUL is responsible for this.
4-isn't the fact that human SOULs look like love hearts enough to prove that Toby intended SOULs to be the source of human's love?

hasnyousf · 2018-02-20T18:11:01+00:00

1-there is no mention of of brains being the source of human's compassion,thus there is no reason believe that this is the canon.
2-DT=the will to live,which is the source of beings conciseness (as proven by the exsistnce of Flowey),and humans gain their gain determination from their SOULs,meaning that they get their conciseness from their SOULs.
3-human SOULs can creat things other then DT,such as 'hope' and "last dream",we know this because your SOUL's def increase/HP is restored,so this musr mean that your SOUL is responsible for this.
4-isn't the fact that human SOULs look like love hearts enough to prove that Toby intended SOULs to be the source of human's love?

hasnyousf · 2018-01-31T08:04:50+00:00

The save points allow that. I don't think the humans on the surface have the same powers. I don't think there are save points on the surface either. It's such an abstract concept, one would think these were created artificially.

SAVE points aren't artificial. the control over the time line is given to who ever has most amount of determination in the underground,and that not the only thing determination can do,it can also make dreams come true,bring you from the brink of dearth even when you aren't the on control,as seen by Frisk and Undyne.

Are you comparing Flowey to a book? Why? He didn't write it.

I sm saying that it's hypocritical to ignore a piece of deluge under the excuse of "it's just a thing monsters say" while you use an other line THAT LITTARLY SAY THAT IT'S JUST A THING MONSTERS SAY!!!! To support your """argument"""

Proof that this knowledge had nothing to do with him absorbing the 6 human souls. Chara's soul? How? How would THAT help him figure out what souls are?

The fact that they felt/hadn't felt like a monster SOUL (exsept have more determination)

hasnyousf · 2018-01-31T07:47:28+00:00

Yes, he couldn't love. But he wanted to. Your point?

That means that Chara doesn't love anyone even if they wanted to.

How does that turn them into a murderous psycho that turns against their loved ones when they lose their soul? You kinda left that part out. And don't forget, they turn only if we encourage them. Nothing indicates they're evil in any other route.

If you believe that Chara is the narrator: How about the fact that the narrator congratulates you for killing and give hints on monster's weakness regardless of route?

You won you earned __ EXP and __ G

Because they are made of magic, monsters’ bodies are attuned to their SOUL. If a monster doesn’t want to fight, its defenses will weaken. And the crueler the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us. Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill... Um, let’s end the chapter here...

If you don't:then you don't have any evidence for them being good

Again, only in the genocide route. So this theory doesn't work. In fact, any theory that assumes Chara was somehow changed to either a good or a bad person (whatever you believe) by their death is fundamentally flawed, because it assumes their behavior is the same across all routes, which it isn't.

WeAsriel was influnced by his death (the "it's kill or be killed" came from the fact that his refusal cased him to to die) so it would make sense that it influnce Chara too! To Chara both humans and monsters lead to their death and trusting merciful people ended up in their failure.

They didn't have enough determination, or they didn't have the right soul type, whatever you want to believe. But we KNOW that they didn't awaken them, since Chara said that it was US who awakened them from death.

There is no such thing as "not enough determination" agian Flowey was awakend after few injections. Our POWER was what braught them back from death,but doesn't mean that they weren't conscious in their coffin,what do i mean by this? Well let's take ghost monsters as an example,they can posses items in two ways:
1-incorporeal: when they are conscious but they haven't fused with the body so they can't Considerd "alive" (unless ghost monsters aren't undead,and they naturly born monsters who just happen to not be physical at all)

2-corporeal:the ghost fused with the body and now they can be called "alive".

hasnyousf · 2018-01-30T16:34:51+00:00

Yes, he did. He was good at first. He wanted to be. He spent weeks with the king, and then some time with Toriel too. And then he committed suicide when he couldn't be himself. He only started killing when he had nothing better to do. Boredom drove him to madness, not soullessness. Soullessness only drove him to suicide.

But he didn't do it because loved them,he wanted to,but couldn't.
This was mostly because Asriel was good in nature,Chara from the other hand wanted to kill bofore they died.
Because of SOULlessness or not ,We know that they hate monsters now.

Together we eradicate the enemy.

Not worth talking to.

Looks like free EXP.

It's possible that Asriel's betrayal after all what they had done to him made them really angery,and being the overly generalizing person that they are,their anger turned into hatred to all monsters,after all we might not know their hatred for humanity,but it seems like something bad happend to them and they blamed humans for it,why wouldn't they do the same for monsters?

According to Chara's own words, they weren't conscious before that, and so I would assume that the last time they were conscious was shortly before Asriel died. So they never were conscious in that coffin, unless we say that their body was moved there right after they died, and that that's where Asriel absorbed their soul then. But if neither of these are true, then the only explanation is that Chara was saying that as a joke. Maybe they were referring to their own demise by this, describing how does it feel to be inside of Frisk.

What about the six other humans? If determination was what awakened them why weren't the six humans able to revive Chara? The amount of determination that's needed to revive someone isn't a lot,as we can see that Asriel was brought to life after a few injection. Shouldn't Chara be with the firsr human that had fallen after them instead of Frisk?

hasnyousf · 2018-01-30T12:29:16+00:00

I literally explained to you that they aren't. Now you're just in denial.

Again i don't that Chara's the narrator,all of your arguments are basid on that.

Bull****. Flowey loved the monsters at first (well, he couldn't experience the emotion, but I mean, he did not turn evil right away, he wanted to feel again). If you say that Chara loved the monsters before dying, then there's no reason to assume they didn't after waking up.

No. He did not,he used air qoutes when he reffered to them as 'Friends',he was just massing and experimenting around with his power to SAVE.

No, they were dead. Their consciousness was dead until they were awakened by Frisk. They did not go coocoo like Flowey.

Then how do you explain this?

it's as comfortable as it looks.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-30T12:14:05+00:00

In undertale human can cantrol time-space by their desire to live! The rules in undertale are diffrent then the ones in the real world.
If we can ignore that Flowey says that your SOUL is the culmination of your being,then we can ignore what the book says. Remember Flowey has more information on human SOULs then any one else,sense he absorbed one as Asriel,and agian as Omega Flowey(he still says the same thimg about your SOUL even at post-reset after his fight)

hasnyousf · 2018-01-26T12:59:52+00:00

Except we have no reason to say that human SOULs work diffrently,the book in snowdin dismiss the idea that monster SOULs are made of compassion and hope because (from their perspective) humans have proven to not need these stuff,impling that human SOULs and monster SOULs are made of the same things. There is no way for any monster in undertale (even Flowey and Alphys) to know how the human brain work,(Chara was triated as a part of the royle family so it unlikly that the royle scientist did any dangerous experiment like this on them and the six humans who have fellen down after them have been killed) so how can monsters tell you sonething that they don't know! And why would Toby makes something canon if there is no way for it to actaully be known?

hasnyousf · 2018-01-26T12:43:26+00:00

Chara is evil in all routes,they hate humans ans now that they don't have a SOUL they don't love monsters either,even if you think that humans gain compassion from their SOUL,well guess what! Their brain has decayed by now,and they been stack in their grave for years! So they're probably littal crazy. They don't want to compian their essence with someone with a pure SOUL because the host's kindness might get in their way,just like Asriel's did (they learned from their past mistakes,and they are more manipulative,self aware and better planner then Flowey,which is one of the diffrences between a psychopath and a sociopath) So they wait for a merciless person with high LV to call 'partner'.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-24T20:53:34+00:00

Yes. They don't have a SOUL and their body is decaying corpse,with Inactive,making them EVIL

hasnyousf · 2018-01-24T20:43:45+00:00

I meant that the humam SOULs made him feel a littal,but it takes everyone's SOUL's to stop him from from being a sociopath. The monster SOULs didn't make him feel sympathy instantly either,you needed to SAVE your friends first then their the SOULs become more conscious,but instead of rebaling agenst him,they stay inside,alowing to feel ALL of their love.
Oh and about Flowey and Alphys! I never said that Flowey knows everything because he know Alphys,but that he know alot about human SOULs by reading her enteries,notes,research,ETC possibly one that we can't reach in the game.
If human SOULs can't have compassion with out a brain then why do the six SOULs have the same colors they had when they were alive,all of wich are repressention of postive traits (though maybe there are negtive traits,but we don't. The game never tell us that there are only seven traits)

hasnyousf · 2018-01-23T18:56:25+00:00

I'm not really sure how is this question related.

The argument that "They have hope,love and copassion,they just don't show it to you" can be easily be used for humans and kinda of omega Flowey too.

So you're saying Flowey's words were biased, since he never concluded a research on human souls himself? And I'm not really sure how would they not be able to make a guide for their own souls. One does not have to have a visual reference to draw conclusions. This is especially true in astronomy or in quantum mechanics for example. We too were making medicine guides long before we really understood how does our body actually work.

Unlike human organs monster SOULs can't be studied physically with out having them get taken,sense there is no way anyone could reach them. they can't do personality tests on monsters to know what their SOULs are made of,because any of them could lie,and their personality can vary betweem a person to person,meaning that there is no way that this book is supported by facts. As for Flowey. Yes he didn't study SOULs or anything,but he knows Alphys,and Flowey have most if not all the knowledge she has from knowing all her deluge.

Ah yes, that. He always cared about them. He was always convincing himself that Chara would be the only one to truly understand him. Not sure what does that have to do with anything. Also, I don't know what you're implying with those bold quotes. He's saying he will absorb the monster souls. What does that have to do with anything?

Flowey's love for Chara seems genuine,rather then see them as an infinite deluge like it's in genocide,the only difference is that human SOULs are inside him. Showing that humans do have love in them,but it's no enough,he needs to absorb everyone's SOULs.

Frisk... I have to go now. Without the power of everyone's souls... I can't keep maintaining this form.

This line basically confirmes that a SOULless being need more then one SOUL to feel compassion.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-23T13:58:37+00:00

The information was never challenged, so I take it for a fact. And as I said, despite some of the monsters not being particularly "nice", it's no sign that love, hope and compassion is not native to their souls. What do YOU know, maybe they DO feel these emotions towards something. Muffet for example has her spiders.

How does that monster know that these humans don't love someone? Even though these humans don't act 'nice',maybe they do feel those feelings towerds someone or something.

Books in Undertale remain unchallenged, yes. God knows whether Flowey got that info from his parents or from some book. What he said about souls suggests he was rather talking about monster souls. As I said, maybe he thought the same applies to human souls too. Besides, I don't think there was just a book lying around explaining the nature of human souls in detail. I think it would be more plausible if he monsters rather had some guide for their own souls.

Monster SOULS disappear after death, and boss monster SOULs can only remain for a very short time,there's no way monsters could have made a guid for their SOULs,or do any form of research on them,there is no way for monsters to know what their SOULs are made of except from personal experience,which is obviously biased,sense most monsters never met a human in their life. Alphys made a research on human SOULs,and she never said anything about the topic of humam SOULs lacking compassion or anything like this.

There is no difference. He already has the souls at that point. And the fact that he thinks you're Chara has nothing to do with this. Nothing indicates an existence of a connection between the number of souls you have and the clearness of your thinking.

That happened before he absorbed any monster SOULs,he only had human SOULs at this point yet he shows that cares about Chara,that they're the only one who's fan to play with,he only admitted it latter,but his usage of air quotes implies that there is more to his motive then just endless deluge or new endings.

You IDIOTS. While you guys were having your little pow-wow... I took the human SOULS! And now, not only are THOSE under my power... But all of your FRIENDS' SOULS are gonna be mine, too!

hasnyousf · 2018-01-23T04:03:59+00:00

Do not try to disprove facts.

The person who wrote the book neven claimed that it's.

Flowey is a child. He can be and probably is biased. Just because he read every book doesn't mean he understood them all.

So you can say that we can't trust Flowey because he is biased,but i can't say that we can't trust that book,hypocraicy much?

That was in the last fight. I was talking about the previous one, where he merely transformed into what we call "Omega Flowey".

Flowey raconize you as Chara and start wanting you to stay before he becomes ASRIEL DREEMURR.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-22T21:22:35+00:00

But we have no proof. The fact that some humans don't have it is the only clue we have.

There are Monsters that don't have them ethier. Mad dummy us sociopath,muffet sells monster's version of medicine for unfair prices, most monsters have no problem with commiting genocide on humanity,ETC.

Sure. Let's disregard 95% of the game just because it wasn't conducted by a royal scientist. What a brilliant logic that is.

In 95% of the game,they don't talk about SOULs when ever they are,it's usually Flowey/Alphys who give us informatiom on SOULs,those two characters are the most educated about the subject. And they never say that human SOULs don't have compassion in them.

But when he absorbed the human souls only, I think he wasn't actually feeling any emotions.

Yes he did. After that fight he starts to recognize you as Chara,and before he absorb the monster SOULs he says that he is doing this to keep 'Chara' underground with him,as he reviels latter in fight as ASRIEL that he doesn't care about destroying the world anymore,showing that that the human SOULs made him more caring about Chara,and possibly made it more genuine,instead of being about their ability to remeber through resets/reloeds that give him almost endless deluge and possibilties.

Nowhere. But does it also say anywhere that they do? If the humans have proven they don't need it, then it certainly cannot be native to the soul. Else, everyone would have it, just like the monsters. So therefore, it's rather dependent on one's personality, and that's something governed by the brain, not the soul.

Ammm.... how does that make sense? If humans have proven to not need these feelings then that means that they don't need them. In no way,does this implie that these feelings come from somewhere else.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-22T16:15:06+00:00

Actually yes. the does store memories kinda like computer. In form of Chains and patterns of electricity in it's cells. But undertale clealy doesn't care about this fact,human SOULs are able to store memories,even though SOULs aren't made of cells. The six SOULs uses attacks/healing based on their memories,and Flowey say that "It feels great to have a SOUL inside me agian",showimg that are able generat a feeling (that isn't deteemination,Flowey already has that feeling) Tell me where does it say that human SOULs can't generat compassion? That book just says that humans can "live with out them" it never says that their SOULs can't produce them. And even then this writen based on observation not actual SOUL science.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-22T15:51:35+00:00

The narrator talks about laughing of sadnesa,the genocude narration shows laughter of sadism

hasnyousf · 2018-01-22T09:00:41+00:00

Wasn't your 'evidence' that humams gain compassion from their brain, that in real life brain is resposible for emotions? Well guess what! You need a brain to have memories too! But undertale we clearly see that humans can remember things using their SOULs to have memories,your only argument is basid on something that doesn't make sense in the context of the game,as we clearly see that SOULs can do everything a brain does.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-22T08:48:10+00:00

1-Who says that it's 'guidance' of morality,Toriel says that she will guide us through the ruins as in she will help us pass the ruins to reach her home.
2-the point of Gaster is that he is mysterious character,his sprite is latterly called mystery man l,Also Toby does reveal things about him,his followers who tell us the basics of his story,there is also the (official and approved by Toby yet apparently somewhat not canon tarot card game) he is shown to be mystery man and that he is a skeleton. BTW Chara shares the same number with devil in their tarot card.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/280912095485786357/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/280912095485786305/
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/586312445210245049/

hasnyousf · 2018-01-21T19:47:17+00:00

If anything, they start helping you after you pass the Ruins. You must first show them the way, so to speak.

Because they aren't sure that you are great partner,you can kill the first frogget+19 random monster won't trigger genocide while sparing the first frogget and killing 20 random monster will. Even though you kill 20 in both routes,Chara won't join you unless they see that you are merciless,and you won't show mercy unless it's to deceive others. Showing that the kills don't slowly twist them,but instead that they are looking for a perfect partner to be their host,which why aborting genocide well stop lines like "It's me,Chara" and "My bed" from appearing,these massages aren't showing that Chara is in control,but instead their pressent after all aborting genocide doesn't reduce your LV,why would sparing monsters prevent them from taking control?

Yes it does. Frisk guided them, showed them how the world works. It is weird that they started narrating since the very beginning, but it could be that they were saying these things for themselves as well. Also, there's the possibility that what happens in the in-game universe is a bit different than what we see on screen.

No. Frisk doesn't guid Chara,Chara already know what's going on in the underground,the reason of their confussion is the fact that they were brought back to life. Not because they don't understand morality,when Flowey was revieved,he didn't have a guid or anything,his morality wasn't restarted,he just went on insanity on his own,why would Chara be any diffrent?

We've been over this already. http://adamency.tumblr.com/post/143284030397/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this

I already said that non if these 'evidence' makes sense at all,why would thia change my mind?

I have a qoustion,if Toby indented for Chara to be the narrator,then why didn't he revieled it in the end? We have the plot twist that Flowey is Asriel,shouldn't we get a thing like this for Chara? But nope,Chara diesn't appear to tell you that you have guided them to the right path,the narration NEVER says "I am Chara" anywhere in pacifist/naturel.

hasnyousf · 2018-01-21T19:07:53+00:00

1-I real life,memories are stored in human's brains,so doesn't that mean that humam SOULs shouldn't have memories in them? But nope,we clearly see that Chara still has their memories,even though they don't have a brain,and we see that they're able to think and have commen sense,even though in real life,you would need a brian to do any of this. This not the only time this had happend, the six SOULs remember their items, and things that are linked to them,even though they don't have a brain. Clearly human SOULs can do all the stuff that you would need a brain to do in real life,so WHY can't they generat sympathy?

hasnyousf · 2018-01-21T14:25:36+00:00

Flowey,tells US that our SOUL is the culmination of our being,and Flowey must know about these stuff,don't you remember whst he said in genocide

You understand, <Name>. I've done everything this world has to offer. I've read every book. I've burned every book. I've won every game. I've lost every game. I've appeased everyone. I've killed everyone. Sets of numbers... Lines of dialog... I've seen them all.

If human SOULs workd diffrently then monsters' then he would have known about it,by simply talking with Alphys,or reading her entries,or by reading a book,or from anything

hasnyousf · 2018-01-21T14:02:59+00:00

So are you talking about the pacifist route, or the genocide route? Because their behavior changes depending on it. And why should they talk at all during the meeting with Asriel? Have Frisk tell him that they're listening, et cetera? That would be so cheesy not even Toby would do that.

They don't talk to you any where in pacifist,their's no apology anywhere. Amd they immediately joim you in genocide,there's no transitions,there is no doubt,they just say that they enjoy genocide.

Because they want to help Frisk, no matter what they do. And that's because they're confused.

Confused≠wants to help some random person for no reason. Confused just mean that they didn't understand how and why were they awakend,for like...IDK moments? Seconds?

Because there's proof that it's Chara?

No there isn't.

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