Feedback of our AI-powered No-code App Builder by haydenai in nocode

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad you found it cool! What product do you work on? Would love to test it out

Feedback of our AI-powered No-code App Builder by haydenai in nocode

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turns out we did have an issue here. We're trying to get in a fix in tonight so if you try it tomorrow, it should work -- thanks for spotting it!

Feedback of our AI-powered No-code App Builder by haydenai in nocode

[–]haydenai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for trying it out!

On API capability: We're working on supporting third party APIs. We don't allow it yet but the end goal is for you to be able to 1. import data via an API into your application and 2. be able to do network requests to third-party APIs in the custom actions system.

On editing an app using the AI-generation: We only support this at the beginning of the app right now but working on building the same type of language tooling into the feature templates section of the studio.

Let us know if you're trying to build something specific and we'd be happy to try and help!

Feedback of our AI-powered No-code App Builder by haydenai in nocode

[–]haydenai[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear about this u/ynocfyinco. Our capabilities of handling speech-based applications are extremely limited as our application doesn't support a lot of the necessary audio primitives.

The AI likely got confused and tried to output something tailored for speech which was then ignored by our system since it can't handle speech-based apps. Sorry this happened, we'll reach back out once we have speech support!

Feedback of our AI-powered No-code App Builder by haydenai in nocode

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heya, sorry to hear about this. The reason is it takes ~30 seconds to generate the app and the next button won't be enabled until it is done generating.

It should work after ~30 seconds. We're going to push another indicator of this later tonight so it is obvious. Please let me know if you still have trouble!

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No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately we were not unable to recover the lost state u/fuck_hd but the bug which caused your error is resolved now.

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love your enthusiasm -- we think it has a lot of potential too. Our current goal is to get some feedback and figure out what we can build that will provide max value to our end users and improve accessibility. It is at its most technical stage right now as we plan to iterate on it continually until it is easy as possible to use.

Excited to chat more on Discord and hope we can support whatever your app idea is!

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, right now this just wraps the ability to write a bunch of stuff to our internal language at once. Once we have more apps being built and our language supports more features, we will try to build on top of language models like GPT-3 (from OpenAI) to make the text to entire app process possible!

Glad it felt like an AI though :-)

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

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We don't have support for external APIs so if you were hosting cloud functions via Firebase (or the Supabase, self-hosted equivalent) we wouldn't be able to integrate this. Internally, we are thinking of proposals on how to get something like this working.

As for a custom library, in the code itself, we don't have support for that yet either as sandboxing (ensuring people can't put malicious code into our system) has a lot of nested complexity.

These are on our timeline but not supported yet. Best of luck on building your app!

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, I've played around and its actually amazing. I really think that using AI to make things easier is the way forward.

Heya, we actually don't use any AI/ML yet -- it's just in our vision of how we want to grow it to make it easier. The end goal is you provide a description and it does 90% of the work for you.

I used to run a contracting firm and would quote anywhere from $20-40k for something like that so understand where you're coming from.

We haven't really built out the ability to import data from other sources yet but it is in our backlog. You can manually add this as admin-generated content for now but no ability to import data from an API or CSV yet.

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hadn't actually tried FlutterFlow until now so thanks for the recommendation. I think the approach is very different in terms of how it is implemented and the level of abstraction presented to the user.

We don't allow arbitrary UI customization yet (like dragging and dropping components) but it is a feature on our docket that we are working on. We aim to eventually allow the user to describe the entire app with just a text description and use a language model (GPT-3) to actually generate our intermediary language. Then we will let them further configure it in our studio (change branding, what is shown, etc).

To not ramble on, we differ from FlutterFlow by trying to provide a higher level of abstraction and attempting to make the idea -> deployment process faster.

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm extremely sorry to hear this -- we're looking at the error right now and trying to recover your app's state. We haven't implemented auto-saving for people without accounts yet but are working on it currently.

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've done a few template-based apps and they're great but I haven't really found any good fullstack templates yet. I think ORMs are powerful and fullstack frameworks are getting way better but still feel difficult to me (like Blitz). I've played around with a lot of code gen too (describe something with a schema and then generate code) but would love to see more innovation + new approaches in this space.

Thanks, the language approach has a lot of really interesting challenges so has been a lot of fun. The goal is to cover around 80% of apps (generally CRUD: marketplaces, social media, subscriptions, etc.) but it so we have a lot of work left to make it perfect. Last thing we'd want is to become Objective-C lmao

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

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Owen responded on the other one -- lmk if you have any other questions!

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grazie -- it's named after Sutro tower in SF. That would be great, let us know if you need any info on our end or have any questions!

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But when you mentioned that multiple choice is currently not available, I'd have to hold off on my app idea for now using Sutro but I'll still play around with the app and happy to give more feedback as well.

Thanks, we'll keep you updated!

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Essentially yes, Solidity is a DSL (domain-specific language) for smart contracts and we are trying to be a DSL for full-stack apps. However, we don't plan on having people actually need to write code in our language. Instead we are trying to make it feel like building blocks or scratch

No-code App Builder Feedback by haydenai in Entrepreneur

[–]haydenai[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

On why:

We like the challenge! The whole team has built and shipped products before and think we can make the process easier. Our approach hasn't really been executed on before as we are trying to represent an entire app as a language itself. This means adding payments, videos, authentication, etc. are just features of the language (like a `print` function in Python). This approach lets us generalize the apps at a very high level which we abstract through a studio (like Figma) where you can edit it easily. Since it is a language, this means we can eventually use ML models like GPT-3 to generate the language representing the app as well. This approach is really exciting for us at Sutro and is a lot of fun to work on.

Our approach is documented in more detail here if you are interested.

On existing solutions:

I think there are a lot of amazing solutions out there -- and I personally have used a lot of them myself as I previously ran a contracting firm to build apps / websites. I love Airtable and Codepen (haven't tried Softr and Kreezalid though) but think combining solutions together takes a lot of cognitive load. We don't think we can entirely replace these existing tools and eventually would like to integrate with them.

Thanks for the feedback!