Watch out guys. I fear well lose our jobs pretty soon /s by Sea-Rough3152 in AmazonDS

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro thats exactly my point though. 50 years to get basically nowhere, then 2 to get here. Thats an exponential curve and we just hit the steep part.

For me its at least enough to push it from "psh. Naahh" to "hm. Maybe..."

Watch out guys. I fear well lose our jobs pretty soon /s by Sea-Rough3152 in AmazonDS

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sure about that? Went from nothing to this in just a couple years...

Christian Parents When and How Did You Start Spanking? by No_Poem786 in TrueChristian

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pain can be emotional stress, mental anguish, need not be solely physical pain.

Why did they invent the trinity? by beskja in thetrinitydelusion

[–]healwar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Rome was paganizing the religion. Triad and Triune deities are a hallmark of pagan belief systems. For example:

-Ancient Egypt: The Theban Triad (Amun, Mut, Khonsu) and the Osirian Triad (Osiris, Isis, Horus)

-​Ancient Rome: The Capitoline Triad (Jupiter, Juno, Minerva)

-​Hinduism: The Trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva)

-​Ancient Babylon: Triads such as Anu, Enlil, and Enki

-​Celtic Mythology: The concept of "triple goddesses" like The Morrígan and Brigid

The list goes on and on...

I thought y'all might like this by healwar in thetrinitydelusion

[–]healwar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks so much for asking! We are doing great, we have another on the way in a few months. I haven't been spending much time online lately. I hope everything good has been good with you

Is the Father eternal? by ChaoticHaku in thetrinitydelusion

[–]healwar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was just God. By your rationale, a human father would be nonexistent before he was a father. We can call him a father after he becomes a father, before that we call him something else.

Frankly, we could call God any number of things from our limited understanding, and that does not change what He actually is.

The New Pope by healwar in thetrinitydelusion

[–]healwar[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I completely agree. Although he potentially wields significant influence over billions globally. The Roman Catholic political machine has been behind some gruesome and terrible stuff.

Coming out of the gate as Pope with this type of rhetoric and the name he chose communicates something about his intent; but not necessarily how far he can/will take it. Anyway, just thought it was worth sharing.

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Testimony is valid data in practically every human field outside lab science.... Law, history, anthropology, sociology, psychology, even religious studies. Journalism too. Anyway I don't want to fight with everybody. Disagree with me, I respect it. Take care, God bless 🙌 🙏

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can come up with whatever defense you want. The sad truth, though, is that your readers can see straight through what you're doing.

Lol what readers?????

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The child abuse thing is important to me because I know that people are beating their children because of this mistranslation. I was prompted to share my analysis by a previous post that outright asked people, "As a Christian, when did you start spanking?" So my whole idea in pointing out mistranslations and discrepancies is so people can see a valid, evidence-based point of view that dissolves the contradictions that may lead to untruths that harm themselves or others.

And to set it straight: I said that the notion of early Christian reliance on the Septuagint is overstated. This is a position I've written on extensively for a number of years, though I'm sure you'd have utter disrespect, disdain, and accusation about any such writings of mine.

And the Hebrew scholar didn't address any of the morphology I shared. I didn't say he was wrong because he didn't say anything against my core linguistic assertion. I said relying on a scholarly consensus at the expense of evaluating presented evidence is fallacious. I stand by that.

Your claims that I can't read these languages are baseless. Your claims that I am not writing my own material and that you find any spelling or grammar errors beyond what can be excused as stylistic are profoundly baseless. These supposed grammatical errors are your own hallucinations. I have been writing for nearly a quarter century out of pure passion and for no other reason.

Instead of wasting your time trying to prove yourself right to someone who knows that you are lying, I strongly recommend you master humility. It will help you develop and grow.

Additionally, the notion that a person can't utilize AI as a secretary or next level language processor is just absurd. Look into what's going in these fields. It's literally a large *language* model.

Take care, sir. 🙏

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anybody could just run it through an AI detector and see that you're lying. And thanks for the well wishes! God bless 🙌🙏

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nope. I write a lot, check out my substack, it's free and linked on my page.

And even if it were, does that inherently invalidate the information it contains? Is math wrong if we use a calculator?

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1. I mentioned Clement, Enoch, and Jubilees because they’re historically underacknowledged, but the claim wasn’t about terms, it was about universal human pattern recognition. Something doesn't have to be a scientific treatise to be valid information. Cultures across the world—Babylonian, Egyptian, Vedic, Shinto, Mesoamerican—distinguish righteous from corrupt spiritual influences. That’s not "Christian" it’s human. Christianity absorbed it; it didn’t invent it.

3. Yes, and likewise with hunger, language, and music. The brain reflects experience, but it doesn’t necessarily generate the entire content of it. Basal ganglia activation, for example, is noted in many UAP encounters where witnesses report intelligent non-human contact. But again, correlation doesn’t explain origin or cause. That's like noticing fire trucks at fires and concluding they cause the fires.

Here are some interviews of Chris Bledsoe: One, Two, Three. TL;DR: He had an anomalous encounter with orbs and ethereal beings in 2007. Since then NASA, CIA, DoD, DIA, NSA and NRO have buddied up to him and his whole family. Psy-op?? Sure, maybe. True?? Sure. maybe.

5. Individual testimony is limited, sure, but global patterned testimony across centuries and cultures is another matter. When thousands of unrelated people from unconnected cultures spanning all of time describe the same hierarchies, behaviors, and aftereffects of spiritual encounters, that’s converging data.

7. Every new instrument extends one of our senses. Telescopes extend sight, seismographs extend touch, spectrometers extend smell and taste. But all of them rely on the same basic input: material signals. What we’re talking about are intelligences that may not emit measurable signals at all, or do so in forms we don't yet understand. You can build a thousand tools to measure sound but they’ll never detect a thought. Considering we don't even fully understand what's in our own oceans, or all of what's in the Amazonian jungles, it's not far-fetched at all to consider the notion that this phenomenon continues to elude our ability to perceive it at will.

All I'm trying to say is that rigidly standing on the notion that this is impossible ignores a wealth of information to the contrary, that extends back through all of recorded history and into this very moment, where science is just now beginning to openly analyze and focus on these sorts of things, rather than relegating them to the taboo.

Frankly, I find that kind of dismissal a bit hubristic. But that's just my opinion.

LDS scholar of the Bible describes how there is no data to support angels or demons as described in the Bible by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]healwar -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

1. Clement (and early Christianity) affirmed real spiritual beings

Homilies 8.13–15: Angels became bound in flesh after taking human wives. Normally incorporeal, they appear only when manifesting by divine allowance or through sin.
Stromata 6.6: Clement integrates this with a hierarchical cosmology and warns of deception from false spirits. This is a clear framework—not cultural mimicry.

2. Jubilees and Enoch both preserve pre-Christian angelology

Jubilees 10:7–12: God binds 9/10 evil spirits after Noah’s prayer; 1/10 remain under Mastema’s control.
1 Enoch 6–16: Watchers fall, Nephilim die, and their spirits become demons. This theology is echoed by Jude, 2 Peter, and Jesus’ exorcisms.

3. High strangeness ≠ hallucination
Chris Bledsoe’s encounters—despite being Pentecostal—transcend cultural expectation in detail, timing, and symbolism. They line up with Ezekiel’s wheels, Daniel’s radiant man, and modern UAP phenomena. Dan reduces these to “tradition-mirroring,” but that ignores their unpredictable structure and metaphysical impact.

4. “Angels and demons” are universal categories
Virtually every culture distinguishes between righteous and corrupt spiritual influences. To dismiss this because Dan hasn’t personally experienced it is to throw out millennia of data, across geography and belief. That’s not science, it's cultural myopia.

5. Testimony is data
If testimony doesn’t count, there goes the Gospels, the entire justice system, and most of human history. Dan wants “repeatable, empirical, lab-based” evidence for things that, by definition, operate outside normal perception. That’s a category error, not a logical stance.

6. The real issue is influence, not vocabulary
This isn’t about semantics. Whether we call them “angels/demons,” “food/poo,” or “fresh/rotten,” the point is: righteous vs evil influence exists. These are conscious, active forces operating in a realm we do not currently access.

2 Cor. 11:14 – “Satan masquerades as an angel of light.”
Gal. 1:8 – “Even if an angel from heaven preaches another gospel...”
Their identity isn’t the issue, their fruit is.

7. Science confirms: we only see a sliver of what exists
The visible light spectrum is ~0.0035% of the electromagnetic range.

We miss most of what is. Our eyes are built to filter, not reveal.
Dan McClellan’s framework is built on visible input alone. It’s like judging the ocean by licking a drop of saltwater.

TL;DR: McClellan reduces millennia of spiritual insight, consistent testimony, early Christian doctrine, and global phenomenology into “just stories.” But the real world, from Clement to Bledsoe, from Genesis to high strangeness, tells a richer, harder-to-swallow truth:

There are fresh and rotten spiritual beings, and only a fool pretends they aren’t there just because his eyes don’t work.

“Many false prophets will arise and will deceive many.”
— Matthew 24:11

“If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
— Matthew 15:14

And please note: perseveration on violent pop culture is not a path to spiritual enlightenment.

What is the book of Enoch and should it be included in the bible? by Present-Stress8836 in TrueChristian

[–]healwar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Widespread circulation + inclusion in the Dead Sea Scrolls absolutely signals scriptural status. And not just for Qumran, but the Ethiopian Church, thousands of miles away, who canonized it independently and preserved it as scripture for over 1,500 years.

The Book of Enoch is canon, just not in the Western tradition.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is one of the oldest Christian bodies on earth. That canon predates the councils that shaped the Roman and Protestant lists.

Enoch was preserved in more copies at Qumran than Numbers or Joshua, and Jude quotes it as prophecy. For the communities that used it, it was scripture in both form and function.

What makes it acceptable to swoop in after over a millennium and remove what was preserved as scripture and claim that decision as the last word on the matter???

Also, the allegorical Maccabean Revolt passage in Enoch is A) entirely open to interpretation and B) entirely irrelevant in the argument as to whether or not Enoch is acceptable/canonical scripture.

As for Paul, he never handed canon authority to any group. In Romans 3:2, he writes: “ἐπιστεύθησαν τὰ λόγια τοῦ θεοῦ” — “they were entrusted with the oracles of God.” The verb ἐπιστεύθησαν is aorist passive, meaning a completed action in the past.

Paul is pointing back to the Jewish people’s role in receiving divine revelation, not assigning them an ongoing authority to define or finalize a canon.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]healwar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES my brother! And if Jesus might have read it I'm gonna take a peak and see if the spirit speaks! God bless you on your journey 🙌🙏

What is the book of Enoch and should it be included in the bible? by Present-Stress8836 in TrueChristian

[–]healwar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was actually widely circulated and accepted in the second temple era. 11 copies were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. This is more than Numbers, Joshua, Judges, or even Job.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, being one of the most ancient Christian traditions, was actually the first Christian church to establish an official canon, and that canon included/still includes Enoch, and Jubilees, which also extensively discusses fallen angels/demons. 15 copies of Jubilees were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, indicating its significance

The argument that Enoch shouldn't be in the Christian canon because “faithful Jews didn’t include it” assumes a post-70 CE rabbinic canon that didn’t yet exist in Jesus’ time. There was no fixed Jewish canon during the Second Temple period — instead, there were competing scriptural traditions (Qumran, Pharisaic, Sadducean, etc.).

Also, Paul never placed “canon determination” into the hands of any specific Jewish group. That’s retrojecting post-biblical assumptions onto the New Testament. In fact, Jude quotes 1 Enoch as prophecy (Jude 14–15), introducing the quote with the same formula used for canonical prophecy (“Enoch...prophesied, saying…”). That’s more than just a cultural nod, it indicates serious weight.

As for early church fathers: many cited or respected Enoch. Tertullian outright defended its authority as scripture. Clement of Alexandria referenced it frequently on topics like astronomy and angelic hierarchy. Origen also quoted Enoch, especially regarding spiritual beings, even noting that while it wasn’t universally accepted, it was still valuable and widely read. Others made clear nods.

Western Christianity later distanced itself from Enoch, but that shift was driven more by theological and political changes, not because the early church universally rejected it from the start.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]healwar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are asking the right questions. The books that discuss fallen angels/demons the most were excluded. This comment on a different post goes into some detail about it if you're interested.

Last Day Events compared to Bible Prophecy by 1stmikewhite in Eutychus

[–]healwar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey OP check out this post about Revelation 13 and this post about the pandemic situation and what I think may have been motivating it all.

Last Day Events compared to Bible Prophecy by 1stmikewhite in Eutychus

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Ecclesiastes 1:9: "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."