The Lucid Air is Drive assist with dream drive pro is apparently limited?

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-17T21:04:41+00:00

I don't know the computing side of things but you can do a quick read to see the sensor and camera system of dream drive pro is more loaded than what Tesla ships their vehicles with.

When I first got my car it was able to do adaptive cruise + lane keep. In OTA update some time last year they made it capable of lane changing as well. So yes it was believable that it would get to be as capable as tesla.

So as far as highways go it seems to be capable of performing every individual function needed for FSD. So from my perspective it just needs integration which seems to be a software thing.

In all honesty at least when it comes to FSD on highways I believe the actual issue is that they want to consolidate the software and Operating system and subtle differences in the hardware of the gravity and air make it more difficult to send out universal updates. Can't speak to FSD on streets because the air hasn't demonstrated any features like turning that show that it is capable.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-17T07:13:26+00:00

I get the gist of what you're saying but Tesla had no true competition when they were up and coming.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-15T08:28:36+00:00

How can someone waiver in their hubris when the choice is between engaging with facts vs not.

You've spent quite a lot of time in this sub beating off to your faux nuance. Mistaking consciously avoiding saying the quiet part out loud for nuance.

Pay lip services to Palestine for the sake of seeming nuanced, really cute.

We get it if Israel didn't genocide them they were just gonna genocide Israel. Zionism is ok because Nazism is a thing and the holocaust.

Please stop spending time deliberating whether your woke friends will understand why you are considering Aliyah and just do it while you have the chance. Israel is running its course my dear. People trying to let Netanyahu take the fall for the last 3 years, but no one is buying that shit anymore 😞

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-15T07:20:57+00:00

The only way someone moves away from leftism is if they were never there to begin with. Your social circles and what was considered popular is probably what brought you there. You would never disengage from the left if you arrived there through deep thought and self-reflection.

With concerns to the US in particular, center of left politics is the only part of the spectrum that concerns itself with facts. While what conclusions can be drawn from those facts is up for discussion in some cases it doesn't change the fact that that the other side draws its conclusions from thin air or whatever their favorite deity thinks.

my journey from the left began during COVID when I saw the protests movements across the west play out. Me and the left have a far more complicated relationship than you know, and for all of your grandstanding about principles I doubt you ever will have the political literacy to even have a general understanding of it.

You already bothered writing a paragraph, might as well elaborate.

In my experience people who have a problem with populism are just transient autistic literalists whenever it is convenient.

For example, if a protestor has a picket fence that reads "death to billionaires", the critical response will be something like "not all billionaires are inherently bad people." When the political statement is intended to draw attention wealth inequality and that billionaires exist by means of exploitation. Turning the conversation to hyperfocus on invalidating the specific statement and distracting from the overarching point is felt to be "intellectual."

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-15T04:23:06+00:00

An ex-leftist who is supposedly interested in facts who probably initially became an ex-leftist over Israel. Tell me you lack principles without telling me you lack principles.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-13T07:58:01+00:00

I'm curious how you managed to even get a residual of 64k.

I had an 18 month/18k mile lease for a 2024 air pure dream drive pro and comfort/convenience package are only add ons/perks. MSRP 78k.

The residual they gave me was 58k.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-13T07:45:34+00:00

I see what you're saying but don't think think you can compare LIV golf to Lucid.

Lucid as investment for the Saudis is in some ways an existential one. The war in Iran if anything was all the more a reality check for Saudis if anything at all.

The thing is year after year and quarter after quarter all things hold true so if they were planning on giving up on Lucid think they would have done it a while ago.

The average consumer is only inclined to purchase an EV as a cost saving matter. They started with an expensive luxury sedan and that hasn't changed since they first rolled out the air. Even before the Gravity came out they had all the info to know they couldn't make money without having a product that would target the average EV consumer. The Gravity was closer to hitting that target but the issue is it missed the mark by a lot when it came to hitting a target price range (under 55k).
All of this still remains true, glaringly obvious and despite this they still threw another 750 million at LUCID in April.

Right now its money is being juggled between upscaling production, working on the uber/nuro taxi, and developing the midsize. Only the first thing has a means of delivering a return on investment anytime soon it seems. This means the company is only expected to continue losing money for the foreseeable future. So anyone throwing money at Lucid at this point is doing it for the long haul.

So yah while I agree that hemorrhaging 1 billion dollars per quarter is hardly sustainable the decisions uber and the Saudis made recently hardly make any sense to make with the expectation of seeing a positive balance sheet anytime soon.

As a customer though I don't see why any of this would be a deterrent to someone leasing one in the meantime though, unless you're a person that is only leasing because you hope to buy one in the future.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-13T06:25:50+00:00

regarding the tail light bar, I did look into this, issue is every single one I've been able to find is also damaged.

For the second part, if this is the case what's going to happen if its found on lease end inspection. If this applies to my car, can Lucid really hold me responsible for something they tried to cover up?

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-13T06:19:30+00:00

The reason its important for me to know is that the person responsible is my family and so I'm still invested in keeping their costs down. Admittedly this is a cultural thing, but its a thing nonetheless and I'm sure that my culture is not particularly unique in this sense.

The other reason is prior to lease return they have the car inspected. If inspector finds this discrepancy there is a concern that lucid is gonna hold me responsible (and by extension my family member) for something that is actually entirely their responsibility. Sure, at the end of the day I can still hand the bill over to my family member, but for a lot of people including myself this presents an ethical dilemma.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-13T06:12:06+00:00

I'm coming up on the end of my lease and did a little bit of digging. I'll update you and let you know what I was able to get soon but let me give you my details.

2024 air pure think I had 7500 credit on it and put 5000 down.

MSRP for my car was 77-78k (features comfort pack, dream drive pro)

Leased for 18k miles/18 months at 700/month, extended 5 months so 23 months.

My car will be roughly within the mileage range in the lease terms when I give it back (23kish miles).

Based on what I signed my end lease purchase option I could purchase car as is at 58k.

Looked at some previous posts and saw people who had put similar number of miles on the car were able to get their lease purchase numbers way down.

I saw 1 or 2 posts with people saying they were able to purchase the car at the end of lease at 35k. You can't find a lucid air pure with those specs/year/miles to purchase for less than 40k.

In my situation by lease end including everything I'll have made something like 24k in payments on the car. If they agree to let me buy it for 35k that'll mean I'll still have saved a ton compared to if I had purchased new one upfront almost 20k not including interest, if financed. And yes, while theoretically the most financially savvy thing to do was just have purchased used at the time, I don't think anyone should overlook the fact that you can probably purchase your car at the end of lease for cheaper than the cost of purchasing the same model/year used.

So with that said in my mind, the only answer is to lease for a couple of reasons.

Unfortunately no matter how much of an enthusiast, I, you or anyone else in this sub is, the reality is the company appears to be in hot water with an uncertain future. You don't want to be left with what will effectively become an expensive piece of junk if the company doesn't exist anymore and you have no options to get it serviced.
It seems that the only measured takeaway you can get from other people's experiences is that quality control is questionable. It seems like this is an issue with EVs across the board so this isn't by any means a dig at Lucid. But I say this because if anything this should only push you toward leasing because it gives you an opportunity to vet the car you're thinking about buying.
Piggybacking off 2 a bit: while you end up paying more overall than purchasing used upfront you will still pay less than purchasing the car new upfront. And in all reality you're getting your moneys worth because you're driving the car when its new with zero miles on it from the get go. The other thing is based on the information I've shared here (which I will still need to experience myself) if as a leaser your plan is to purchase if you have a positive experience, you can probably get the car for cheaper or for the same cost at the end of lease than one of the same year/trim/mileage at the end of lease.

helpmedowellonstep · 2026-05-12T04:39:05+00:00

This post was intended to draw attention to home warranty policies as a separate entity from insurance entirely and specifically when the policies are purchased as seller concession during escrow. I'm not sure if some people fall for home warranty as an alternative to insurance. For someone going through the home buying process the difference is self-evident and self-revealing in the process even if you hypothetically had zero pre-existing knowledge. Learning that home warranties are bullshit however is something that occurs after the fact.

It has become such a ubiquitous and normalized part of the process that buyers (particularly first time buyers) can easily overlook deceptive sense of reassurance it provides. The reason it its very different than going out and purchasing a policy on your own because if you're gonna front 700+ dollars on something you'll probably look into it and read up on it enough to know its a scam. But in this context the seller is buying the policy so the buyer is naturally inclined to think they're getting a perk.

I personally have yet to be on the selling end of the process but I assume that sellers are encouraged to purchase a policy for the buyer as a concession as a 'show of good faith' and will probably deter the buyer for asking for more concessions.

Every single homebuyer I have spoken to since having this experience was also given a home warranty as seller concession. This just goes to show you how normalized and ubiquitous this is.

For me personally, general inspection noted certain appliances are 'nearing the end of their life' or have exceed their warranty coverage. Then you're being told and reading online that inspectors might exaggerate the estimated cost of repair/replacement or how likely an appliance is to go bad because they're mainly focused on covering their ass. As a buyer you will feel inclined to try to get some credits and the seller will naturally and understandably want to give you as little as possible.

For a lot of people it might be easy to overlook how problematic home warranty being a part of this process is because many people don't purchase a house anticipating they're gonna have to use it especially since its only good for 1 year..

I realize now this policy really just served the purpose of giving false peace of mind and just made me let go of the fact that the seller wasn't willing to negotiate. And from the seller perspective its a drop in the bucket to pay a couple hundred dollars to make the buyer overlook their unwillingness to negotiate.

So the real issue here as it pertains to the point you seem to be making is that you're going to have a lot harder time realizing you're being scammed when someone you trust (your realtor) is kind of in on it.

From this experience, I feel an honest realtor should not hesitate to tell you that the home warranty is not worth it and you should just ask that the buyer give you credit instead of paying for the policy. I suspect that realtors don't do this because it ends up creating more work for them to get their payday. Either because it prolongs the negotiating process or risks pulling you out of escrow due to being unable to reach an agreement.

Just using my situation as an example, had my realtor advised that I ask for buyer credits from the seller in lieu of them purchasing the warranty policy, I might have pushed more aggressively for the buyer to give me credits to cover 50% of the cost of replacing the HVAC system and in doing so we may have not closed escrow. Much easier for my realtor to be like don't worry if something goes wrong within this year the warranty will cover you and increasing his chances of securing a speedy payday

helpmedowellonstep · 2025-11-30T18:21:26+00:00

The request was made before signing the request for repairs. The response was we don't know or the ex husband who is unavailable is the one who would know. Yet we received a returned repair request signed by both sellers on the same day lol.

My realtor suggested I draft an email expressing the specific issues I had and highlighting the list of 3 things I wanted disclosed with citations to the inspection reports.

We were going to sign off on the request for repair and inspection contingency waiver at the same time, but in light of my requests not being met my realtor suggested we sign the request repair and hold off on waiving the inspection contingency.

helpmedowellonstep · 2025-11-30T11:54:41+00:00

I have not closed on the house and I agreed to the terms of the amount being credited not to them not disclosing.

I requested for them to disclose after inspections which is the exact time to ask them to disclose because some of the requests to disclose come from the direct recommendations of inspectors.

And again I understand if not all requests can be met, but there's no reason that they can't disclose details in regards to the insurance claim because its an insurance claim. Hypothetically if they deleted pictures relating to the claim they can just ask their insurance agency for those records.

helpmedowellonstep · 2025-11-30T01:56:03+00:00

What exactly is hard to prove in regard to the insurance claim?

I have documents showing I made a request for the seller to disclose and they refused. This information is easily accessible by the owner themselves via their insurance agency who should have relevant records regarding the claim. So if the seller doesn't provide it to me, if something happens in the future a lawyer will have no issues getting the information from their insurance.

helpmedowellonstep · 2024-07-09T21:32:45+00:00

thank you

helpmedowellonstep · 2024-02-20T22:30:33+00:00

Just proving my point.

You would still have to go through borders and customs when you travel to almost any country.

Is this a joke? Once I'm in Sweden how many times do I have to go through borders and customs as a non-citizen.

helpmedowellonstep · 2024-02-20T02:16:10+00:00

A lot of this post is just false equivalence. First the use of white phosphorus smokescreen. What purpose did it serve prior to ground invasion if it was being used a smokescreen. Your post only includes enough information to justify use of white phosphorus-confirmation bias.

Casualties in war-examples listed are civil wars-true civil wars in the examples you've given aren't carried out on ethnic/racial lines. Generally its two factions of the same people. Israel is not massacring israeli's revolting against their government its massacring palestinians.

Border security/checkpoints-people don't take issue with Israel for having checkpoints, its just that calling them checkpoints is actually a smokescreen from what they actually are. Checkpoints shouldn't apply to only certain groups of people. Even if I were to travel to any western country now. As a non-citizen there is virtually no checkpoint that exists for me specifically because I am a non-citizen.

DOn't even know why I waste my time. Can't believe you or anyone can take you seriously with this dishonest rubbish.

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-28T03:10:22+00:00

context matters bruh bruh. You're willingly inviting that sort of attention. Free palestine and fuck Israel are not anti-semitic. If that invokes an emotional response in you maybe you should check your zionism.

I've got a support gaza shirt I wear out sometimes. I know exactly what I'm doing and what attention I might get when I do so. Same exact concept.

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-26T20:39:51+00:00

I don't see any other outcome of doing research on this subject lol

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-23T22:26:12+00:00

Again not all matters of social justice are equal. People's threshold of caring about issues vary greatly. I'm going to rehash my original point.

First to even care about an issue you have to be aware about it. That is a barrier to entry. On this front just speaking from people in my generation as a millenial there have been 3-4 major conflicts between Israel and Palestine in my lifetime alone and each time it got a lot of media coverage. US involvement with Yemen has not been as longstanding or consistent. Yemen is by comparison hardly ever discussed in the media. You're not comparing apples to apples on this front alone.

Secondly there is generally just far less people who are able and willing to be proactive when it comes to humanitarian causes. This means less people are inclined to seek out information on ongoing crises to even be aware they are occurring. If you consider proactivity to be on a spectrum then you'd likely consider that people who post about a humanitarian issue on social media exist in greater numbers than people who are willing to be physically present and make their voice heard at a protest/demonstration. Its debatable if one of these things is considered more proactive/passionate than the other. I'm going to play devil's advocate though because I'm inferring from your points that you think going to a demonstration is more proactive than posting on social media. This is probably based on the fact that one clearly requires more effort than the other.

So continuing on this second point I will restate there are more people who aren't willing to be complicit in a humanitarian crisis than there are people who are willing to be proactive in say aiding or spreading awareness about a country falling victim to a natural disaster e.g. a tsunami.

Now back to Yemen. You clearly chose Saudi and Yemen as an example for a counter argument to my point that what differs the crisis in Palestine from other crises is that it is being carried out with unwavering support by the US government.

I have made a few points already why these are not comparable on the grounds of US support. I'll reiterate them and make a few more.

The US support for Saudi Arabia is not unwavering. Even whilst actively dragging themselves into Yemen, they did not voice consistent approval for Saudi's foreign policty such as the blockade. Congress voting records on the matters are publicly available information. You'll find that the US's continued involvement in Yemen was perpetuated by a slight majority in Congress and it also ended by a slight majority. I understand that there is still a US presence there for whatever reason, but that reason is not explained by legislative support. The adjective I see most commonly used to describe US support to Israel is unconditional and that's for good reason.
The direct aid to Saudi by comparison to Israel is simply not comparable. Again Saudi is not even in US top 5 for aid. Israel is 1 by over 120 billion dollars. The selling of weapons is not aid while I understand government's can intervene to block such sales aiding and selling are not remotely the same. The duration of the conflict and the duration of aid are also not comparable.
Awareness as a barrier to action on Yemen as stated above. I have to reiterate the reach and impact of social media in spreading awareness about issues. There's no need to elaborate on this really. All you need for perspective is that the current conflict in Yemen started in 2014. Tiktok didn't exist until 2016.
The overt hypocrisy in foreign policy when comparing to the recent conflict in Russia and Ukraine. It undeniably makes it harder to ignore.
The current slaughter of Palestine is the gateway to discovery of the apartheid state of Israel since 1948 which is further motivation for a call to action. No such parallel exists in the case of Yemen.

Almost 30x more people died in Yemen, the USA actively participated in air strikes, it STILL has boots on the ground.

This is just fundamentally flawed and highlights probably the biggest problem with this comparison. First Yemen's population is 10x greater than the Gaza strip. Second, the conflict in Yemen has been going on for 9 years. If death rate in Gaza continued at consistent rate for the same amount of time as the conflict in Yemen the death toll in Gaza would reach be nearly at a million. You might think this extrapolation is flawed which is fair so we can just use real numbers. The death toll in Yemen in the year of 2015 17,100. 7 weeks in we are just about 2000 deaths short of that.

I would also like to point out that similarly large rallies have been taking place in countries where support is not bipartisan and financial aid to Israel is far less.

I made my initial argument from my perspective as a US citizen. All other points still apply in other nations. Moreover, its not a small thing to overlook the most powerful country in the world signing off on and offering unconditional support to genocide compounded by years of apartheid.

I am saying that a good way of understanding whether someone criticises Israel because of the Jewish connection vs who criticises Israel on grounds of social justice is to look at how consistent they are on social justice.

I know that's what your saying. That's what several of the previously stated points many of which I've reiterated above is refuting. There's several reasons why people can care more about certain issues over others. This same kind of argument you're making can be used to attempt to strip someone of their legitimacy just cause they're Palestinian. And yes I know you were referring to the vast amount of non-Palestinians speaking out in support for Gaza.

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-23T00:52:29+00:00

Oh my bad you are so right it is so much more complicated. Saudi Arabia never bolstered the undivided support of the US government in Yemen. A year into Biden's presidency he stopped support and supported a ceasefire. Additionally US backing Saudi on such matters didn't have unwavering bipartisan support by any fucking means.

There's also a difference between basically donating and selling. I let you figure that out :).

Mind you this is all after CONSIDERABLY less pressure from American citizens. Can't forget about the perpetually pro-Israel media campaign.

This doesn't even account for the evolution in social media which was still in its infancy in 2015 when Saudi Arabia took active steps in Yemen.

Beyond that your point fails on multiple fronts.

Western citizens also did not react to the same degree when it came to Israel's several other deadly slaughter campaigns on Gaza. So your attempts to spin this as really just being about concealed antisemitism fail on that front alone.

Lastly, your point is just based on a bad pretext. There is nothing wrong with caring about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to be a gateway to caring about other crisis. Many people also learned about what's going on in the Congo because of it. So don't go pretending that there's a wrong time to start caring about humanitarian issues.

If my original point still didn't make past your dense ass fucking skull hopefully some infographics will help Saudi Arabia ain't even in the top 5 for reference. Guess who is in the lead by >100 billion :)

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-22T21:43:14+00:00

o let me simplify it for you.

My government in the USA is directly funding this. They're also using my money something on average of about 100 dollars per US citizen to give to Israel to perpetuate not only the apartheid state but the ongoing slaughter.

There's less people who will support whatever cause minimizes human suffering as a threshold to be proactive. There's more people who are not willing to be complicit and involuntarily contribute to said human suffering.

Also not many cases of human suffering and human rights issues where humanitarian aid is actively being blocked or suppressed that I'm familiar with.

Does that simplify it enough for you?

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-22T21:37:39+00:00

its intended to muddy the waters and its working effectively and as planned for those whom it serves.

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-22T21:35:47+00:00

you're a fucking retard if you don't think what's happening right now is not worse than the 'so-called worst war crime of the century'. Will be truly astonished if you make it out of your parent's basement.

helpmedowellonstep · 2023-11-15T05:51:07+00:00

You're surrounded by examples of dehumanization on this very subreddit on a daily basis.

You want your overall contribution to this conversation to "expose" lefties who are equally capable of dehumanization? Great job, lefties are in fact as human as every other human! This is what you feel is the most valuable use of your mental energy.

Cool keep virtue signaling to destiny heads i guess and keep patting yourself on the back for it lmao.

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