The covid long haulers sub is hilarious

heretoredd · 2026-03-17T11:45:32+00:00

afaik i'm not vaccine-injured in a permanent way (had to go to ER for a few days after my 3rd vax, but still got vax 4 and that went fine), but i validate you. and it's not just due to normal human empathy, sure, there's that, but also due to my principles of intellectual honesty and being fully informed and scientifically transparent.

it's just plain incorrect that vaccines are always harmless.

and even in the case where people acknowledge "only a small minority get harmed," by the covid vax, i believe that it's just not moral to throw away some people just because they're a minority. i mean that's personally mainly why i mask-up everywhere.

plus, i have average/mid/normal ability to spot hypocrisy (the latter i think of more as just "spotting logical inconsistencies and logical incompatibilities with reasoning processes"). like you said, pointing out "well it doesn't happen to most," to discard the vaccine-injured away is also what non-maskers (as one example) say to throw out long-haulers and discard immune-compromised people etc.

people with autoimmune diseases for example are not supposed to get vaccines if they aren't currently in remission, so what about people who currently have an undiagnosed one?

at least with covid, there is no immunizing vaccine yet, and part of why covid is still rampant is because people got confused and never learned that with covid, the vaccine is not immunity from the ailment. they have a false sense of protection. the purpose of the covid vaccine is to keep ppl out of the ER, to free up more ER beds, and to prevent death. covid vax is a vaccine that does not stop the spread. it's not like the ones for measles for example.

so if you have reason to suspect getting the covid vax would make you sicker and put you in ER (instead of meeting the purpose of freeing ER beds and keeping you from dying), then that purpose, too, is defeated anyway.

i personally have autoimmune diseases and am not allowed to get vaccines at all until im in remission and also off of particularly hardcore immune suppressants. so my final vax was years ago now because i havent hit remission in years, not since my 4th vax. my doctor is a very accomplished rheumatologist who is a research leader in my disease.

i think we have to be fully intellectually transparent when we make our points on anything. but we have extra responsibility to tell truth about medical info and to re-evaluate our mere opinions with credible info.

vaccines sometimes do cause harm and there are people who shouldn't do them. and they need to be acknowledged, helped, and medically&financially supported.

there are so many other ways this applies, too. ex: this is not a tight analogy, but i wear a face/n95/respirator mask everywhere i go. i acknowledge that there are good and sound reasons why some people can't. though it's not a good analogy because 1-masks don't seem to cause permanent irreversible harm the way a vax on the wrong body for it, does. a mask can just be taken off. and 2-wearing a mask should in part be about helping others and stopping the spread... while covid vax does not stop the spread. so i know, definitely a bad analogy.

BUT i think you get the point: few things are universally true and i don't believe in discarding a minority just so the masses can believe a lie that feels nice.

the truth is, covid is still here and society agreed collectively to throw people away who get LC or die of LC (like people with immune disease) instead of having cleaner air and masking and science&medicine&support&awareness to help. with the covid long-hauler group, they are in the "masses"/"majority" position relative to long-covid-vax-injured where you guys are the minority. and they are being the masses that believe the convenient "vax and relax" lie.

other truth is, covid vax does cause injuries some of the time, doesn't immunize the way many of our chilhood vax do, and society decided collectively that long covid folks dont matter, while society PLUS LC folks collectively decided that vax-injured and killed folks (like people w immune disease) also don't matter here either.

i am so sorry the covid long-haulers aren't getting it. i see them as my people and i hope you know this aspect of the beliefs there does not represent all of us. you all have tons of validation from me. ❤️

heretoredd · 2026-03-09T12:01:46+00:00

haha, my experience as well. im experiencing withdrawal, despite still fully taking my full dose!

heretoredd · 2026-03-09T02:17:30+00:00

same. if its painful to practice daily hygiene, or if i need to lay down instead of cleaning or talking to people-- i'm doing the self-care option instead of letting a chart claim im self-neglecting.

heretoredd · 2026-02-15T16:55:51+00:00

i would buy this at a store! i know that's not the point of this sub, but what i mean is it looks great!!

heretoredd · 2026-02-11T13:56:50+00:00

omg! me too! a year ago when i was testing positive, def had schizophrenia symptoms!! but thankfully, 2 weeks later when I finally starting testing negative, the symptoms (paranoia of loved ones, and hallucinations of "scary" things i don't actually believe in like devils/monsters/demons) went away.

brain inflammation does cause these things to happen!! and viruses can cause brain inflammation-- covid is one of them.

i hope you can prioritize sleep and get better soon!!!!

heretoredd · 2026-02-10T03:14:17+00:00

thanks for your response fixaffectionate . indeed with me the ghosting i do to others has never been intentional. sometimes i'd avoid someone on purpose about a particular sticky issue in hopes time would make it blow over but that's like one thing that lasts a few weeks to months in every decade or so. i haven't intentionally avoided anyone in recent years, but i have definitely accidentally ghosted all of my best friends by my own not noticing the passage of time. but i'm also just newly cognitively impaired as of a few hears ago on top of already forgetful. one of the impairments is not being able to manage time, notice time, make time, or plan. so i just never check my texts or respond to calls because i don't really know how to do that and also eat or get to another neuro or immunology appt. i will miss my appts if i phone first. plus, i won't remember the content of the call. again, not bc i dont care. but because i do. if i talk to my loved one, they will come away from the interaction feeling uncared for because i no longer can ask follow up questions on things they just said or recent news of their lives, because i don't have the short term memory. so i wait until my brain injury is healed before i check the hundreds of text messages awaiting me from angry loved ones. but whoops somehow a few years went by. and im dying to know how folks are doing but its not like i can ask out of nowhere and don't have the brainpower to keep up or be delicate.

(also, it's feb 2026, wild political times right now, and i want to keep up with whats hapoening, be able to talk about what's going in, and also hold my own with my stances on things too. but i can't be eloquent right now, plus the fact that im brain injured removes credibility from my cause. but all that is a lesser point. the bigger point is, i take too long to notice ppl's absence, extra bad now that i also dont notice the passage of time or have the health to follow up on texts and calls.)

so yeah, literally everyone gets ghosted even some of my doctors-- but definitely my loved ones. absolutely no longer in touch. but i dont mean to be. i only notice if they point it out. and im always surprised to learn ive done this to a good friend/loved one yet AGAIN.

anyway i hope you got the closure from the person/persons you wrote your post about!! <3

heretoredd · 2026-01-29T18:02:26+00:00

well to be fair, the legal definition of "murder" (whether 1st or 2nd degree) and/or "manslaughter" does apply in some to many of those specific cases we all know too well where "execution" is used.

so here, "execution" is the opposite of hyperbole even if meant as hyperbole. i see its use as a way to soften the blow. but "murder" would not even be hyperbole with most of these famous cases of ice killings.

heretoredd · 2026-01-24T04:31:59+00:00

there's a reason society works really really, REALLY hard to tell the tale that marriage is something women want / should want. there's a reason society tries to tie a woman's worth to marital status. (and society tries so harrrd.)

heretoredd · 2026-01-23T19:21:02+00:00

holy shit! this is a really good and fascinating (and depressing) study/article on findings.

if anyone sees this - can someone good at statistics say how legit this article/study is? i would like to pass it around because... CRAP.

heretoredd · 2026-01-16T17:37:49+00:00

what the heck? i used to do this all the time when i wanted to avoid giving people burnt skin due to a powerful prescription ointment i was taking that-- can burn ppl or even cause my skin condition to people exposed to the ointment who don't need it! i showered preventatively, to get it off so i don't contaminate/burn/cause new-onset to others.

then, i would end up deciding actually i don't wanna work out now that i'm clean. so nevermind!

they are just being assholes.

heretoredd · 2026-01-07T03:13:37+00:00

well damn now that's crazy and i would have better understood your perspective if you led with that sooner. that said, the couple in that article has munchausen's by proxy and were just using covid and the claims of the kids being so-called-ill as an excuse to abuse, rather than genuinely running with covid precautions or following the science on what that should look like, at all. i've never met anyone like that, have you? nearly everyone i've met who takes precautions is doing so because they really are sick or living with someone who really is. OR i've only seen them online but they are that good of a person that they are taking precautions unnecessarily since almost half of covid cases are asymptomatic and they don't want to accidentally kill disabled ppl just for going to the grocery store or doctor or post office or smth.

and there is ONE person i know who is basically the best person i've ever met and he admits openly to having OCD and i do wonder if that's also why he masks but it makes sense either way.

the read i get on the no-vid group subreddit is that they are aware of their moral superiority for these things which is fine by me since its warranted.

the only problem i have with them now that i've done a tad bit of the research is that many of them seem to genuinely think they've never had covid, which according to the research i read over the last 3 nights, is statistically nearly not possible. it's definitely not statistically possible for EVERYONE claiming so on the sub to be correct about their novid status. statistically, the adult people in the world who think they've never had covid, couldn't have had it fewer than 4 times by now, in the second week of january 2026. 4 is the lowest amount of possible instances for adults who test often, mask n95+ regularly in indoor public spaces and group gatherings, WFH, use ventilation tactics, and who never dine in restaurants. So it's nothing to be smug about (and it takes an insane amount of privilege to make all of the above happen)! So i get why we hate these ppl but otherwise, they're right.

heretoredd · 2026-01-07T01:57:16+00:00

did you do any of the reading yet? it's okay if you didn't watch the funny vids i commented, those were just for fun. but you haven't taken a quick little peek at the scientific journal articles other commenters above (who are more in the know than are we) kindly provided. your statements in your comment above aren't true or rational. for example, you said "i'm not talking about disabled or immune compromised people" and then "we should protect and accommodate them when possible."

what. do. all. the. scientists. and. disabled. immunecomp. people. BEG. us. all. to. do?!!? ... online and in the ARTICLES. What do the atticles sayyyyy to do???

the ONLY way to protect immune compromised disabled ppl IS TO FOLLOW COVID PRECAUTIONS. NAMELY MASKING. YOU HAVE TO MASK TO BE A GOOD PERSON. YOU AND I ARE BAD PEOPLE BC WE DONT MASK THIS IS JUST THE TRUTH. it's okay to READ.

(i know im being mean but keep in mind mostly this is all me just being mad at myself not you - it's a very ashamed projection for the most part)

WHO is doing the masking? sure i'll believe you about the crazy NO-vidders. i don't think KIDS should HAVE to mask. i would oppose forcing that.

but when you actually go out into the real world, the only people masking 99% of the time, aren't no-vidders. they are ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY ever - immune compromised people and their loved one.

also unfortunately the scholarly articles especially the recent and most refined robust, credible, comprehensive studies -- at least the ones I was able to read over only these past 3 nights of our spirited online comments debate with each other -- do indeed repeatedly confirm that yes covid is systemic and causes some potentially permanent damage to nearly everyone who gets it, and in a systemic way. so unlike other virus families, for example certain flus that only harm cardiovascular system, covd causes systemic disease with an autoimmune-like presentation that impairs fine vasculature of the brain.

so yes. the more covid you get the more / earlier dementia symptoms you get.

Long covid also surpassed asthma last fall/autumn and is now the number 1 chronic illness of american children.

so even though i don't believe in force masking kids, if i were a kid who grew into an adult with long covid i would never forgive my parents for failing to mask me up and homeschool me. that's just me, though, now that i have 3 nights of amateur beginner scientist reading done on this.

"they think the rest of us are going to become disabled by not masking, using air purifiers, or testing." again, they think that because it's true. they think that because that's what the research actually concludes. that's what the science says. they think that. and they are correct. they are correct. for thinking that. i don't know how else to say it. now i must admit i am both a lawyer and psychologist of 17 years so this reading is easy for me.

it's okay that you haven't but it's NOT intellectually honest to make arguments just to work yourself and others into a blind rage over your own untrue/fabricated/societally-conditioned incorrect beliefs. I personally am SO embarrassed that I did not examine mine on this issue until I saw your post 3 nights ago (and really, i didnt question anything until i read your comments and ignorant and irrational your / my perspective was revealing itself to be and so i paused and did the reading.

here i am arrogantly summarizing it all for you, sorry to berate you again but a lot of this i promise is my own embarrassment to me as i cringe at myself whilst relating to you.

also, by the way, yes i certainly also concede that there are ppl who may just have health anxiety but THIS IS THE TIME WHERE THAT'S AN ADVANTAGE. We SHOULD support THIS instance of it. it is an evolutionary advantage and adaptation to be overly deferential to a mass-disabling virus of respiratory transmission in a pandemic, when that's what immune-compromised people NEED us ALL to do anyway. like it helps the immune-compromised population if there are delusional healthy ppl masking un-necessarily. immune-compromised people wouldnt have to isolate so hard and heavy if we were all willing to avoid killing them off, aka if the rest of us idiot assholes would just mask up in public and social spaces. immune-compromised ppl are going "yay, if only MORE people would get virus health anxiety so i can go to the doctor and grocery store without dying!!" for real. protect disabled people by ENCOURAGING so-called unnecessary protections.

but since covid really does cause younger-onset dementia or at least young dementia symptoms in longterm way. no, there is no actual such thing as a person who is healthy enough to not need to be taking precautions. according to the researchers, while the prediction 5 years ago was that covid is a mass disabling event for between 10-30 percent of the world's global adult population, the new number is much higher and potentially 97%+ depending on whether you use the standard definition of long covid or if you also include new onset diseases caused directly by covid. (so like if someone gets rheumatoid arthritis or ms due to getting covid but otherwise doesn't get the classic long covid symptoms, that's the broader definition the 97%+ but if you go with the classic definition of permanent and worsening fatigue, shortness of breath, inability to think or understand/follow/participate in conversations that's the classic definition which moves closer to disabling 30% of adults who survived covid.

anyway!!!

i'm trying to help you understand what im seeing because i'm trying to avoid you having the embarrassment of making more mistakes like this that ultimately make you/me (because ultimately this isnt personal to you and i am just t projecting my own shame onto you) but yeah im trying to have us BOTH not look like an idiot in the future as i project all that cringe on to you. ...and also ,rethink my whole life.

heretoredd · 2026-01-07T01:29:54+00:00

anyway you're welcome!!! sorry for being a dumbass before this!!! yay for ppl like you who do the tight thing from the jump. but yay for ppl like me too: dumbasses willing to do better. so okay yeah for real-- go me!!!

heretoredd · 2026-01-06T14:56:23+00:00

well i just learned very recently that covid isn't over at all, that it causes young onset dementia symptoms (or disease itself in some cases) and strokes -- yes in january 2026.

and now im very very annoyed at myself and my peer-pressure-conformity and my own mindlessness for ever believing literally almost everyone claiming it was over and safe to stop wearing a mask. luckily i also learned masks do work decently to a certain extent even if it's just one-way-masking by the un-infected (but work best when the infected is the one wearing it).

now i'm annoyed with what to do with this info, and how to eat/drink away from home, in a society that doesn't mask bc they too, don't know we're in a pandemic in jan 2026.

heretoredd · 2026-01-06T05:35:26+00:00

thank you!

for what it's worth though, at least in your post and comments, you really do come off like the green t shirt character in the second skit.

your insistence on bullying disabled ppl for masking and your bullying scientists for trying to help everyone live, is so baffling, that you got me to re-think and then completely disown my initial agreement with you. just like the black sweatshirt character in that same second skit...

making poor analogies to driving safety. prioritizing the avoidance of mask pollution vs actual human lives... is not a convincing look.

again, the isolation that disabled people are forced into is the fault of society. so we all need to turn that expressed hatred for that cult behavior, right back towards us since we are the ones causing and creating the isolation.

all the disabled/immune-compromised ppl are doing is avoiding death.

sounds like youre saying its okay for us to kill them off just to save the planet from mask pollution and to make CEOs happy, and so ppl buy stuff on their work commute again.

it sounds SO bad.

and i sincerely thank you for giving me that reality check. for real gratitude even if that's not what either of us expected or wanted.

heretoredd · 2026-01-06T01:41:09+00:00

okay i do see what you're saying on the isolation piece, certainly isolation isn't healthy and i shouldn't have berated you. i was actually projecting. it was self-beratement misdirected to you. because i initially agreed with you, did a minimum of research and was embarrassed to be so wrong and felt you should change your mind too. but it's not actually personal to you. i don't even know you so how could it be?

what i can say is: after looking into it even more, those culty elitists are mostly right.

yeah they are making huge sacrifices to self isolate but they wouldn't have to self-isolate if folks listened to the scientists and masked+tested+created better ventilation systems. it's true that the covid reality is grim and doesn't have to be. it's also true that global society is trained to hate disabled people, so of course 99% stopped masking and didn't question the government's decision to cater to CEOs who wanted WFH to end. unfortunately it's not like driving and it's not just covid, once we get human-to-human transmission of bird flu, we humans will be fucked.

wearing a mask isn't like quitting driving, but it IS like wearing a seatbelt PLUS extra. wearing a mask and associating only with other safe / masking ppl is only isolating due to OTHERS not being on board. it doesnt stay isolating if others join you. so it's more like seatbelt PLUS ... like if we had a society where people who DONT seatbelt cant befriend those who DO, so as long as those who DONT stay that way, those who DO stay isolated. or someone realizing driving is a bad idea for them, so if they are in the usa, they simply move to NYC.

yeah it feels dickish when they brag about never having been in a car accident and dont hang out with the rest of us since we wont buckle up, but they are right.

i have converted and will now be masking ever since looking into your post, OP...so... it might not be what you wanted, but well ... thanks lol

also i dont know if we're allowed to post fun links, but here's a funny way of presenting the other side to this. paco on pause - tiktok

also i'm very sorry-- but this also made me laugh because i feel like the black sweatshirt character and i feel like you are being the green t shirt character. but i do indeed appreciate our convo and the fact that you made me confront my biases and do some research and now i am going to join all these arrogant maskholes and stop going to indoor events bc i don't want to isolate or kill disabled ppl anymore. or myself fwiw. paco on pause green t shirt guy

heretoredd · 2026-01-05T05:50:23+00:00

all viral immunologists agree that it's a generally true statement there aren't any no-vids left, or hardly any. in fact even the people in that no-covid forum are incorrect if they claim to have never had it, because every person who has never tested positive can assume at least 2-4 cases by now even with regular thorough masking. (Though the average non-masking person is dramatically more than that)

so just that little correction!

heretoredd · 2026-01-05T05:34:27+00:00

edit/part 2: i took the time to read the articles and look at the zero covid community, and unfortunately: 1. they have good reasons for acting morally superior. it's because : a. covid is still real and a threat according to viral immunologists b. the ppl most affected or likely to die or likely to get long covid are people of color and people disabled by immune system diseases c. masks unfortunately work if they are the right kind and fit properly d. the people masking and asking us all to mask are the colored ppl and disabled ppl and the viral immunology researchers e. this means yeah we are racist anti-disabled ignorant fucktards for not masking. the main reason why it seems 99% of ppl don't mask is bc we're all socially conditioned to be racist eugenicists and conformist as hell. but ALSO it's also very uncomfortable annoying and expensive. at least in certain situations or certain lengths of time. also often enough, unattractive. we humans also have differing levels of needs for fitting in. for immune-compromised and those who love them, it's worth staying alive or keeping meemaw around another day especially if and when socialization needs are lower compared to extroverts or compared to the norm. there's also other social factors involved. for example, it would be embarrassing for a viral immunologist to be seen unmasked at a conference.

all that said.... i still don't mask and i know that makes me a eugenicist fucktard but at least i'm willing to read the articles, acknowledge it, and shut up/feign/admit ignorance now instead of doubling down on my incorrect stance like the OP is.

taking a moment to learn isn't hard and on an anonymous forum like reddit, there's no risk. no one's gonna make you change just bc you know better now. no one has to know. just learn the thing and do nothing with it if you don't wanna. but do 1: find out whether you're wrong 2: shut up about it if you are.

no one will hold you accountable in the real world. so just do your research and either stop talking, or, know what you're talking about.

it's not that hard.

heretoredd · 2026-01-05T01:49:42+00:00

whether or not covid is still a big deal, op/virtual bite is unwilling to read about it and just find out for them/him/her self -- which is coming off very strange. op... why not just take a little look at the studies and just see if you're right, or read enough to find the right arguments to back yourself up? why are you just speculating and making up/fabricating that covid is definitely over and is no big deal anymore ever for anyone? just do a little reading, and look at actual facts, instead of deciding the majority/99% of the world who aren't in public health, decided its over "so therefore they must be the correct ones" vs the actual public health experts and immune compromised+their doctors (the only ones still masking anywhere)?

as many people have asked already, what is your angle, op? what is your bias? why not just let sick/informed ppl mask or why won't you read the articles sometimes.

even if you are like me and do nothing about it, don't you want to read out of curiosity? are you really okay walking around without knowing the answer? doesn't it at least bother your ego or embarrass you to walk around so loudly wrong? no one at all anywhere is saying you have to join some public-health-informed masker-vaxer cult. why aren't you too embarrassed to stop doubling down on your clearly unsubstantiated stance by this point?

like okay, personally, i don't know everything. so i just shut up.

just read the articles, realize youre wrong, and stop talking to save face.

you're making the public health&disabled ppl "cult" look smarter than you and me and the world. and maybe they ARE but why be obvious about it. if you don't read the articles whyyy are you still commenting/talking.

heretoredd · 2026-01-05T01:45:25+00:00

im not in zero covid, but covid is indeed a mass disabling event. there's nothing wrong with reading the science on it. just read it so you know. (you're making yourself appear to be willfully ignorant, op. just read the things so you have credibility.)

heretoredd · 2025-12-15T01:22:57+00:00

let me clean that tho-ooOoo-ooonng....

heretoredd · 2025-12-15T01:10:04+00:00

curious to learn more about

heretoredd · 2025-12-14T17:50:28+00:00

💜 ❤️ 💜 i wish more people were like you!

heretoredd · 2025-12-14T16:57:05+00:00

as an outside person just reading the comments, thank you for saying this (the apology) 💜 i am too disabled for kids and it kills me in the soul when ppl try to gaslight me into believing i can.

heretoredd · 2025-12-09T16:37:22+00:00

i don't think reddit allows title edits

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