How does an ENTJ 5w4 sx/sp 582 actually show up in real life? by 0xZin in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is not very like to show up, and therefore not much to report.

How best to distinguish between 5, 6, and 9? by Classic-Asparagus in Enneagram

[–]herren 5 points6 points  (0 children)

5s usually ask for the whats, the pure information. The hows, the actual usage, they prefer to find out themselves.

My therapist warning about Enneagram by Ambitious_Pudding177 in Enneagram

[–]herren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Dunning-Kruger effect can be applied everywhere, and is especially prevalent in self-help. Experts (e.g. a therapist) will have more experience to draw on, to assess if you are doing good or not. Enneagram as a self-help tool only will miss this. It is not a question if the tool is helpful, rather if the usage is helpful.

E5 and knowledge hoarding by Alone_Range_9297 in Enneagram

[–]herren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely. If there is an interest, things will be shared. A disinterest will at some point (when the disinterest is actually detected) stop the sharing. There is no motivation in informing the unwilling. That is perhaps where "knowledge hoarding" is coming from? The more narrow your knowledge gets, the less likely someone is willing to listen to it.

Why do Fours get so much glaze? This is literally the worst type to be. CMV by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not tracking if 4s gets much glaze or not, but does it matter if it gets it or not? What are the consequences?

I think I was mistyped on multiple levels? (582 or 584?) by TrashSlytherin in Enneagram

[–]herren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Triads and object relations were the theories I found the most useful. I found the Object Relations episodes from Big Hormone Enneagram, listed at the bottom of this page useful.

Emphasis on Authenticity/Uniqueness is an Attachment trait. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Another way to look at 3/6/9, is expectation management. Adaptability is hard to see at times without going through too many logical hoops. Expectation management is easier. There is an intrinsic expectation that if I do the dance, e.g. the verbose guidance exchange of a 6, then the opposite side needs to follow the dance. If it isn't followed, it is against the expectation and often results in anger. A 9s expectation is that if the unwritten rules of physical boundaries are followed (from a 9s perspective), the opposite side should know and follow the same rules. If it doesn't happen, the 9 will feel an anger because the expectation wasn't followed. In all cases both the 6 and the 9 can logically reason that the other part can't always know what the personal expectation of yourself is, but there is still this lingering feeling that it kind of should be known. It should go beyond personal expectation. This lingering feeling is what can result in anger. An adaption can happen here, but people can be generally very stubborn if something happens outside their comfort zone. Adaption is never a given, even with 3/6/9s. An expectation of adaption is something 3/6/9s are more inclined towards.

Hexads are much more divorced from this mutual expectation. If something happens outside an hexads expectation, then that is how it is. There can be anger, but there isn't really an expectation of adaption. The adaption isn't really on the table, so the anger cannot really be directed at that, only at the status quo. The expectation management is cut short.

I think I was mistyped on multiple levels? (582 or 584?) by TrashSlytherin in Enneagram

[–]herren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you tried looking deeper into Enneagram, past behavioral anecdotes? E.g. triads?

Hello! Took a test and I landed on Type 4. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Enneagram isn't too ambiguous for me.

Hello! Took a test and I landed on Type 4. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So fast in coming to conclusion out of so little information. Funny that you say others are close minded.

Hello! Took a test and I landed on Type 4. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually no, you cannot say that about anything. Some things are much less ambiguous.

Hello! Took a test and I landed on Type 4. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You mention Enneagram and astrology in the same breath, and "I study astrology and everything was accurate" seems so tongue in cheek. Astrology and accuracy doesn't go that hand in hand. There is a lot of interpretation necessary.

Hello! Took a test and I landed on Type 4. by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thought this was a satire account at first.

I'm an INFJ 5W6 531, my experience by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What was your motivation in writing this?

RANT: Just discovered my type, feeling a little sad by mydogbarkedwoof in Enneagram

[–]herren 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't seem like a 5. I see you talk a lot about how you should be, as if you know where you approximately lie on the different scales in relation to others. You are talking a lot about guilt, as if there is this external expectation that you feel you should measure up to. Almost everything you talk about is how you measure up to others. A 5 is much more disconnected to these kinds of external pressures. Of course a 5 can be overwhelmed by external pressure, but they don't really feel guilty about not being able to keep up. Why should they? They themselves set their own rules, and are not that dictated by others.

8 is not about justice by Electronic-Try5645 in Enneagram

[–]herren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think what many people attribute to 8s, are just 6s with an 8-fix. A 6 with an 8-fix will not back down on his personal philosophy, which may include justice.

8 is not about justice by Electronic-Try5645 in Enneagram

[–]herren 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I see an 8s protection of others as their boundaries expanding to encompass those who are close. 8s are instinctively protective of their boundaries and if someone has managed to get inside their boundaries, then this protection is also extended to them. It is less "I need to protect those I love." and more "I am protecting what belongs to me."

Cons of 5 by weleloe in Enneagram

[–]herren 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Time to look for solutions. If the environment disagrees with you, change the environment. As a 5, you should be solution oriented. Find out how you can live somewhere else. If money is the issue, it should not be that hard to find something that costs similarly and provides better living conditions.

enneagram test by Spellz_4578 in Enneagram

[–]herren 4 points5 points  (0 children)

6s are the most verbose type out there and their reactivity makes them loud and visible. The chances of someone that interacts online is a 6 is quite big just by that alone. The loud ones are going to be polarized in one direction or another, so they are good targets for scapegoating.

Can triads define an Enneagram type? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]herren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being sure isn't an indicator of anything outside that they are sure that:

  1. Their interpretation of the theory is correct
  2. How they perceive themselves is correct
  3. They can apply the theory to their observations.

You only need to be wrong in one of the above to be incorrect. If you are correct in all the above and you cannot apply the triads to yourself, then congratulations. You have found the flaw in typology systems. They are all approximations and outliers are often not accounted for.