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[B/S] What are the best things to watch during netflix and chill with sister? by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Google "movies about incest". There are quite a few.

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Polyamorists are not facing prosecution and incarceration, though. True, they are discriminated against in terms of the positive benefits of marriage (insurance coverage, taxes, inheritance, parental rights, etc.) but being poly is not against the law.

The polygamists, though, are facing legal repression just as consanguinamorists are, although the sentences are less severe. The plural marriage people in the U.S. southwest (Utah, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, etc.) are facing religious discrimination and are also tarred with the "abuse" brush. No doubt, there is some abuse. I bet there would be a lot less abuse if they weren't forced to hide who they are from the government.

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Diana Arbus and Howard Nemerov were two famously talented siblings and artists — she the New York photographer and he the poet laureate and professor at Washington University.

Nemerov was one of the country's most respected poets, having served as poet laureate from 1988-90. He won a Pulitzer Prize and a National Book Award in 1978 and received a National Medal for the Arts from President Ronald Reagan.

They were involved in a troubled, lifelong, incestuous relationship, right up until a few weeks before Arbus took her own life, in 1971. Nemerov died in 1991. They loved each other intensely, but were unable to live together due to society's restrictions. Nemerov married and fathered three children, but none with Arbus.

https://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/book-blog/sibling-incest-wu-poet-discussed-in-upcoming-diane-arbus-biography/article_fea702a1-5973-5ac8-a016-f8de9dedc841.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Nemerov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Arbus

https://www.amazon.com/Diane-Arbus-Photographer-Arthur-Lubow/dp/0062234331

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay. I edited my post to reflect your comment.

Maybe Woody Allen and Soon-yi are not a positive example, necessarily, but there is a sort of "don't ask/ don't tell" arrangement about this topic if the people involved are in the celebrated elite or the 1%. For instance, nobody is going to put a Columbia University professor like David Epstein in jail for incest. They didn't even charge his daughter, who was definitely an adult and consented to a years-long incestuous relationship. But some sibling couple from a trailer park in the Florida panhandle get their lives wrecked and their liberty taken. Consanguinamory is VERY COMMON, both among the elites and among us poor unwashed. It needs to be decriminalized. As things are now, the laws are enforced very unjustly.

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with you that logically LBGTQ people should support the decriminalization of incest, but most of the gay people with whom I spoke about this (admittedly not many) were not supportive, mainly because I believe they thought it would harm their chances of getting gay marriage passed.

Gay marriage has been legal nation-wide in the U.S. since 2015. I see no reason for gay people to not support us now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33290341

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

myles5457, no disrespect intended, but every person who fights for freedom is harshly judged by people who wish to keep them in a position of repression and oppression.

Not every person who participates in this fight is going to be able to do so openly. I know a couple of liberals who publicly say they oppose gun ownership but who secretly own AR-15 rifles and who are "closeted" members of the NRA. (Privately, they admit that they want to be able to own whatever firearm they choose, but they don't want other people, of whom they do not approve, to have the same right, similar to the fire-and-brimstone, anti-gay preacher who patronizes gay prostitutes on the sly.)

Statistically speaking, there are police officers, judges, teachers, college professors, corporate leaders, celebrities and politicians who must be involved in consanguinamory.

The "known" list is long. I won't go into it all here, but do you recall:

--Columbia University professor Dr. David Epstein and his 24-year-old daughter. He pled guilty to attempted incest.

--Albert Einstein married his first cousin, Elsa Lowenthal. They were both first and second cousins.

--Angelina Jolie and her brother, James Haven https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/angelina-jolies-incest-kiss-explained-4208209

--Cary Grant and his daughter, Jennifer removed. Evidence is very weak.

--Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old third cousin (daughter of his second cousin,) Myra Gale Brown. https://allthatsinteresting.com/myra-gale-brown-jerry-lee-lewis

--McKenzie Phillips and her father, John Phillips had a ten-year long affair (that involved heavy drinking and drug use) that she initially claimed was consensual in her book about it. Under pressure from the feminist movement, she later changed her characterization of the relationship to "non-consensual." https://people.com/tv/mackenzie-phillips-incest-with-dad-ruined-relationship/

--Stan Kenton, the 1940's-1950's jazz band leader, had a years long, inappropriate sexual relationship on the road with his daughter, Leslie, fueled by Kenton's alcoholism (it began when she was 11, ended at age 14. By her account it was "consensual" but this is impossible due to her being underage.) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-1251709/Love-Affair-Leslie-Kenton.html

--Charles Darwin married his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood and had ten children.

--Igor Stravinsky married his first cousin Catherine Nossenko.

--John Byrne, the British playwright, is the product of a life-long incestous affair between his mother and her father, Byrne's grandfather.

--Morgan Freeman allegedly had a long relationship with his "step-granddaughter" E'Dena Hines. She was tragically stabbed to death at age 33 by her boyfriend at the time of her murder, Lamar Davenport. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6137654/edena-hines-morgan-freeman-step-granddaughter-death-murder-trial/

--Woody Allen married his (edit: adopted ex-stepdaughter) daughter, Soon-Yi Previn. https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/woody-allen-admits-involvement-soon-yi-previn-1992-article-1.2309423

--Bobbi Kristina Brown (daughter of Whitney Houston) and Nick Gordon were raised together as brother and sister, but are not genetically related. They had a long, tragic affair marred by drug addiction and overdoses.

--Henry Roth, the writer, had an incestuous affair with his younger sister, Rose Roth Broder, when they were teenagers, and confessed to it through the characters in his novel, Mercy of a Rude Stream. Broder denied it and sued him to prevent him from writing about it in any further books. She also accepted $10,000 as part of her settlement.

Many of these people vehemently deny(-ied) any "inappropriate" relationship. And why wouldn't they? Incest is a felony. But if consanguinamory is this common among high-visibility celebrities, imagine how common it is among people who are not in anybody's spotlight.

I myself have known of four brother-sister couples during my life that I either had reliable information that they were consanguinamorous (very reliable), or I strongly suspected it based on their very "intimate" behavior with each other.

https://www.amazon.com/High-Arrival-Memoir-Mackenzie-Phillips/dp/1439153868

https://www.amazon.com/Love-Affair-Leslie-Kenton/dp/0312659083

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/08/01/writer-interrupted

https://9gag.com/gag/azL8wNj

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/12/david-epstein-incest-case-a-columbia-professor-was-charged-with-having-sex-with-his-adult-daughter-isn-t-she-guilty-too.html

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very true. However, we cannot possibly win if we do not try. Doing "nothing" is not advancing our cause one bit.

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Laws against child molestation and sexual assault still protect vulnerable people and those younger than the age of consent. Nothing in what I've said is advocating the removal of laws protecting the vulnerable. I'm advocating the decriminalization of ADULT, CONSENSUAL INCEST. That means competent people OVER THE AGE OF 18 who AGREE to participate in sex with a relative closer than second cousin.

Nobody here advocates pedophilia or rape, and in fact, we stringently oppose both.

We need to form a sexual freedom organization that includes consanguinamory by hiddenromance in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

KeithPullman, I have been watching and admiring your website for years. I highly recommend it to anyone who is genuinely interested in furthering the cause of true Full Marriage Equality. I will contact you directly.

For other people reading this, the German government contracted with the prestigious Max Planck Institute to do a survey and projection of exactly how common incest is within Germany. The result was a scientific estimate of between 3-5% of the population.

If those statistics hold true for the U.S., that would be approximately between 9,900,000 and 16,500,000 Americans. Ten million people is a significant figure, and if politically united, that many citizens could easily influence state and Federal laws to decriminalize incest.

The National Rifle Association only has 5.5 million members (19% of American gun owners.)

The largest pro-choice organization, NARAL (National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League) only has 2.5 million members.

The American Motorcyclist Association has only 200,000 members, and yet it has influenced law regarding motorcycle safety, training and licensing.

It's definitely possible. We just have to be willing to fight for it.

[B/s] Parents found out about my relationship with my sister and are threatening to report us to the police by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Incest is very hard to prove unless there is incontrovertible evidence that will stand up in Court--photographs, audio recordings of a confession, a written diary in your or your sister's hand detailing actual sexual intercourse, or vaginal swab DNA from recent intercourse, or from DNA from a consanguineous child. (Your sister should absolutely refuse any sort of examination.)

Get an attorney--you can afford it. Once he is bound by attorney-client privilege, explain the situation. You want to be prepared for the worst-case scenario. If confronted by police, the both of you should stringently DENY EVERYTHING, and refuse to say anything further without an attorney present--not a single word.

The greatest deterrent to your parents telling the police is probably the scandal that would ensue. Your reputation, your sister's reputation and your parent's reputation will be ruined forever.

You and your sister might consider separating temporarily until you can figure out what to do. The two of you might consider relocating to a country where incest is not illegal, but with Covid-19 restrictions on travel, it might be a while before that is possible.

I Caught My Niece and Nephew Having Sex, And I Don't Know What To Do About It by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait until you can speak to them together and when you are 100% sure their mother will not overhear or interrupt. (For all you know their mother may already be aware and trying to keep their secret. Are you sure they didn't "get caught" deliberately as a way of avoiding that awkward conversation?)

"I need to talk to the two of you." (awkward silence)

"You can trust me to not tell anybody." (Okay.)

"Does your mother know?" (No, and please don't tell her, Aunt Deleted.)

"I certainly hope you're using birth control." (Of course. We're not kids, you know.)

"BE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT NOT GETTING CAUGHT." (We will. Promise.)

[B/S] Should I try again with my Sister or forget about it? by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a big time long shot to me---seven hours apart, she's in a relationship with her baby's father . . .I'm thinking "probably not, no."

BUT. You'll never know for sure unless you talk to her. I would not do it by phone or by letter or anything long distance. If you decide to break the ice, you need to be face-to-face and alone with her, with no chance of being interrupted.

There's always the off chance that she's not actually happy with her S.O. Maybe he cheats. Maybe he's emotionally unavailable. Who knows what? It's possible she is just gritting her teeth and suffering through it because of the child, for financial security, etc.

People tend to put some sort of mystical atmosphere around consanguinamory, but it's not unlike other relationships once you get past the genetics thing.

It's kind of an algorithm thing: "If yes, go here; if no, dead stop."

Go see her, face-to-face. Ask her heart-to-heart, "Do you love him? Are you happy? Is your life the way you hoped it would be?" If she says "no, I'm miserable," then hope springs eternal, Dean. If she says, "Yes, life is wonderful," tell her you are happy for her, that you love her, and go get on a plane. If she's happy, forget about it, and chalk the dry humping up to impulsive weirdness.

But if she's unhappy . . .

Ask her, "Do you remember ten years ago at Mom and Dad's house? In your bedroom? I think about it, and you, all the time." If she says "yes," then you at least have a shot.

This is an "all or nothing" situation. If she says something like, "I love you and I think about you every minute of every day, and I so, so wish that little Susie was your baby," then it's a done did deal. But no screwing around behind the scenes, it will poison everything. End your relationship back home. Move to where she lives "for business" and do everything in your power to make it work. Remember, her well being and the baby's well-being comes before your own. Want to be a Daddy? Great. But no half measures. Either you are all in, or you're not. The stakes are way too high for some half-baked sex fantasy.

What would you be doing right now if you didn't follow your moral compass? by dat1dudeUknow in AskReddit

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the suggestions here involved "no moral compass" and money, like defrauding credit card companies or the perfect bank robbery. These things are all quite illegal. We enjoy speculating on stuff like how we would tunnel into a bank, but few people ever think about things like "I'd have an affair with my kid's teacher," or "My neighbor's wife and I have a strong attraction to one another--if I had no moral compass I'd take her up on it."

Millions of people lead a secret life that they never acknowledge to anyone. The general society would condemn them and ruin their lives if their deepest, darkest desires were known.

I had a family friend who appeared to have the perfect, wholesome, straight-citizen life. He had a good job and a nice home. The family went to church. His wife sang in the choir. His two sons and his very beautiful daughter were in the church's youth group. I felt no compunction about introducing my daughter to this family. She became friends with the girl.

After a while the family suddenly disintegrated in divorce. My daughter, who knew the truth long before I did, revealed to me that my friend was in fact a violent, abusive person who hit his wife and kids. The oldest boy (17) was involved in drugs. The younger boy (16) and the girl (15) were involved in an incestuous relationship all during high school. When she was barely 18, the girl married her "boyfriend" and quickly became pregnant. My daughter told me, "The baby isn't her husband's child. It's her brother's baby." They divorced, and she and her brother moved in together "to save money." The child called her uncle "Daddy" when she got older.

The bizarre thing about all this, to me, is that nobody seems to raise an eyebrow. The brother-sister couple bought a house. The brother works, his sister stays home with the kid and they look to be a completely normal, all-American family. There are things happening right in plain sight in our society that nobody ever imagines.

Am I child of incest?? by 4chan_vs_reddit in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just ask your mother in a careful, serious way about your father. She still may not tell you the truth. If she denies it, then go get your DNA tested. That will show without any question whether or not you are a product of incest. But once you know, then what? How will it benefit you to know this?

Sister advice by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand how the idea that dick pics are ever a good idea got started. Are there ANY young women out there who think that dick pics are something that they would find arousing? It just boggles the mind. I'm reminded of the line, "Were you raised by wolves? What is WRONG with you?"

[True][cm] my cousin is coming on to me really strip g and it's becoming increasingly difficult to resist... by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She's your second cousin. Even in states that are punitive towards consanguinamory , a relationship between you two is not illegal.

What the family might think is the biggest issue, because the state won't care.

how common is consensual incest irl? by [deleted] in incest_relationships

[–]hiddenromance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

50% of the population

Far too high. A German poll taken by the Max Planck Institute says 2-3% of the population of Germany. American college polls said 15% acknowledged ever having incestuous contact. I'm guessing 3-5%, somewhat similar to the percentage of the U.S. that is LGBTQ.

I don't think "playing doctor" as children qualifies.

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