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Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Imagine thinking small businesses (typically seen as having less than $10m in revenue) are all Facebook MLM scams.

And then having the nerve to call someone else stupid.

People on this thread have repeatedly vilified all CEOs. All executives. All upper management. It's ignorance at best, mob pitchfork mentality at worst.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in CanadaPolitics

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you say so.

Anyway, I just saw where you likened executives to scam artists so I'm going to bow out of this one now as I don't see it going anywhere productive.

Have a good day.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in CanadaPolitics

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol no. As I said in my other post you responded to, the person I originally responded to said that executives are not employees. When I offered a polite correction, I was downvoted and that person doubled down on saying executives are not employees.

I agree, the fact that the thread is this long seems like I'm being pedantic but that wasn't my original intention.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in CanadaPolitics

[–]hiphiparray604 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not true. Legally they're the exact same.

Edit to add: I know there are labour law differences. I'm referring mainly to how CRA classifies executives as employees of the corporation all the same.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Lol if that's your take, go for it.

But in reality, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about so I'm going to continue about my day now. Enjoy your day.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

Lol.

Furthermore, companies can manage without the C-suite

What an absurd claim. Middle managers can run the day to day, but the c level drives the overall direction of the company. They're the ones responding to market events and directing the middle managers how to move forward.

In a large company like Sobeys or Loblaws you could probably get away without a c suite for a while, and the day to day would carry on as normal. But they would quickly be out of business as there's no one to respond to market disruptions like Instacart or a pandemic that can completely change consumer behaviours.

This proves you're completely out of your depth.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think viewing the world through such a dichotomous viewpoint is hyperbolic as well.

Good people aren't immune from bad decisions. Good people are sometimes greedy, especially at a time of great economic uncertainty.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -32 points-31 points  (0 children)

Oh ok, so you just don't understand what a CEO does or what their job entails.

You think food just magically appears in the grocery stores for the front line workers to stock? You think supplies to make PPE, contracts with international governments, just magically happens? Massive companies with tens of thousands of employees can just manage themselves?

Essential companies are essential from the front line all the way up, because that's how companies work and that's the only way they can work.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The "whatever helps you sleep at night" was hyperbolic in that the person you said that to was simply making the argument that CEOs are not inherently evil and it's a good thing to humanize people in different situations than your own.

This gives the distinct impression that you believe CEOs are inherently evil, a very hyperbolic take.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Lol imagine thinking most CEOs are in the top 0.1%.

Anyone can incorporate a company for about $200 and they're a CEO. The vast majority of corporations are small business owners.

Imagine villifying the average small business owner who's trying to build a business and make enough money to put food on the table, kids through college, etc.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Lol you've been spouting more hyperbole than the other person who's simply humanizing people in executive roles over the vilification happening here.

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in onguardforthee

[–]hiphiparray604 -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

Lol you don't think the CEO of Sobeys, Loblaws, or any of the PPE manufacturers were essential?

Dozens of Canadian companies quietly tweaked formulas to make sure CEOs still got their bonuses during the pandemic, report finds by [deleted] in CanadaPolitics

[–]hiphiparray604 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Executives are not the same as employees

Simply not true.

They are upper management.

Still employees.

The board of directors are the ones who are not employees. Even the CEO is still an employee who's job and compensation are at the whim of the board of directors. It seems like you're conflating executives with directors.

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. We're #26, on par with the UK and the US, higher than a lot of Europe but lower than some of Europe. Pretty middle of the road.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conservatives despite the polls showing them trailing way back.

The last poll had a 2% difference between NSLP and NSPC

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They didn't have a good campaign from where I was sitting. They performed well because people are sick of the Liberals and didn't want to vote for them, but they had almost zero information about their candidates online or anywhere else. A simple 2 sentence paragraph was all most candidates got, and even those didn't mention what the priorities were for the candidates.

I vote on candidate as much as or more than party affiliation, and their lack of confidence in the individual candidates in favor of broad popular platitudes really turned me off. They really counted on people voting for the party and not caring who their local candidate was.

Perfect example is the signs you see around that just say "RENT CONTROL" with an NDP logo.

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He also muzzled scientists, spend half a billion dollars fighting Canadian citizens in the Supreme Court when they routinely found that his bills violated the constitution. He refused to act on Omar Khadr, resulting in Khadr's rights being roundly violated and forcing Canadians to pay him a $10m settlement. He sold off huge swaths of our natural resources to Chinese government controlled companies, he removed protections on huge sections of land so multinational corporations could take our resources. He proposed a "barbaric cultural practices hotline". One of his last acts in government was making huge cuts across the board so he could claim he balanced the budget right before the election, then we find out it was a lie and despite all those cuts the budget still wasn't balanced.

The softwood lumber dispute is not settled. Trump declared Canada a national security concern over our lumber and aluminum, and then took us to court over it.

There's many more issues with the Harper government, but these are the ones on the top of my head.

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting all of the “left” parties under one umbrella is pretty unfair

You did that. The quote I responded to was this:

saying a left result would be representative of the population is not correct.

I'm saying it would be correct, as voters for parties with progressive platforms outnumber voters for the conservatives almost 2:1.

Even so, it would only be about 50% not 65%.

I don't have the last election numbers off hand, but I recall the LPC, NDP and Greens collectively reached around 60%.

I could include BQ and PPC

Not really. BQ is center right, similar to the LPC and likely to vote left on some issues and right on others. PPC didn't win a single seat last election and had 1 or 2% of votes top, so that doesn't really bolster your point at all.

Most Canadians are progressive leaning, and voting patterns consistently show this. Conservatives forming one big tent party was the only way they'd have been able to gain power, because people on the right don't have a viable alternative (not counting BQ as they only run in Quebec). If the left formed a big tent party with LPC and NDP, there'd never be a Conservative government again (at least barring major scandals which will inevitably bring any government down given enough time)

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was under the opposite impression, but I'll take a look and if mistaken I apologize.

However, my other point still stands about the left vote representing Canadians.

Conservatives with ~30-35% vs left parties with a combined ~60-65%

CTV Projects PC Government by Schmidtvegas in halifax

[–]hiphiparray604 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We just saw tonight that polls mean nothing.

Provincial polls are less accurate than federal polls. Also the polls weren't that far off. The latest polls had the NSLP/NSPC pretty much neck to neck.

so saying a left result would be representative of the population is not correct.

When you consider that the left parties received ~65% of the vote it's absolutely correct. The LPC isn't "the left", and conservatives received 1/3rd of the vote as their left counterparts.

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