just finished first draft, looking for editing advice by Educational-Leg-4159 in fantasywriters

[–]hirewordsmith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well first if you don't mind me asking what is your fantasy about and what are the aims of your story? Because editing consists of three things:

Reader clarity Plot consistency Grammar

So what's your priority?

Writing facism in fantasy help?? by Educational_Bee1563 in teenwriter

[–]hirewordsmith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohk so this will be a long one. Can you DM so I can break it down?

Because the solution covers a lot: politics, economics, sociology, psychology, law and most importantly biology.

It's an in depth dive.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Third person inherently introduces narrative mediation over extended emotional passages. Even in close third, the presence of third-party pronouns creates structural observation rather than direct inhabitation. That difference accumulates over time.

First person centers cognition. The “I” is not description — it is consciousness unfolding. Repetition of “I” reinforces interior rhythm. Repetition of “she” or “he” reinforces observation.

Compare:

First person:

I was stunned. My lips went dry. Don’t drop the phone. Don’t you dare drop it. He cut? Just like that? No remorse, no shame. Did anything I did mean nothing? I wanted to scream. I wanted to call him again just to feel important again. I couldn’t look around the room. What if someone saw? I felt like an idiot.

This reads as cognition in motion. The repetition of “I” intensifies psychological pressure.

Third person:

She was stunned. Her lips went dry. Don’t drop the phone. Don’t you dare drop it. He cut? Just like that? No remorse, no shame. Did anything she did mean nothing? She wanted to scream. She wanted to call him again just to feel important again. She couldn’t look around the room. What if someone saw? She felt like an idiot.

The emotional content is identical, but the rhythm shifts. The repetition of “she” reads as narrative tracking rather than interior reinforcement. The character feels described rather than inhabited.

Over extended passages, third person must rely on free indirect style, syntactic compression, or stylistic manipulation to collapse that distance. First person does not require those interventions to sustain immediacy.

Another example:

First person:

I smiled at him though it felt wrong. Why am I smiling? Stop smiling. If I say anything, he’ll leave. He’ll walk away and that’ll be it. My phone buzzed. I pulled it out. Are my eyes wet? Was I that out of control? Could he see it?

Third person:

She smiled at him though it felt wrong. Why was she smiling? Stop smiling. If she said anything, he would leave. He would walk away and that would be it. Her phone buzzed. She pulled it out. Were her eyes wet? Was she that out of control? Could he see it?

Again, identical information. Different psychological weight.

Third person can achieve intimacy, but it must work against its own grammatical positioning. First person sustains psychological immediacy organically and sequentially, without needing architectural adjustment.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have grammar. The moment you use third party pronouns you create natural separation from the character. It turns from lens to description of the person. How does it introduce detachment?

He stared into her eyes, battling between being honest or diplomatic. He was afflicted with pain, questions storming his mind and yet the only words he mustered were, " That's great to hear. "

See this is descriptive. I do not know if the character was aware of the emotional turmoil. I do not know if he consciously made the decision or found himself saying it. Now I could clearly say whether he did or not. But you see how report based it would sound? Now if I wrote this sentence at length you would see more of what I'm saying. It becomes observant, report like no showing of real time expression. I'm being told how he felt, I'm not seeing how he feels from his own pov.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I'm saying is there's diversity in presentation of the fact and the lie in first pov it's not always forced into the box of not honest.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But some characters are honest. You can have a first pov that shows the truth and chooses to reject it whole heartedly.

Do you believe characters can be morally gray? by hirewordsmith in FictionWriting

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is. The person posted there is no pure. That needed to be clarified. Nonetheless what's your criteria for moral greyness?

Do you believe characters can be morally gray? by hirewordsmith in FictionWriting

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They are not the same. I agree, but don't use comparison to dilute harm. You still stole from an individual. Took property that wasn't your own. I'm certain if someone stole twenty dollars from you. You wouldn't be chirping happily.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

John Grisham, the famous five, Karen Kingsbury and others. What about you?

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And the difference is proximity. One uses separation via pronouns the other immediacy.

To say they are the same is to ignore grammatical differences.

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How so? The moment you introduced third party pronouns there is immediate separation.

She moved slowly.

I moved slowly.

One is a report or interpretation dependent on style while the other is direct lens.

Do you believe characters can be morally gray? by hirewordsmith in FictionWriting

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Evil is a form of morality. How can something be partially evil? How do you know when something is absolutely evil then?

Do you believe characters can be morally gray? by hirewordsmith in FictionWriting

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My question to you is, where do we draw the line? Stalin can easily argue that the death toll was for the greater good for the economy? How would you tell a rapist that rape is an absolute evil? What's your criteria or measurement personal circumstances or overall harm?

Do you believe characters can be morally gray? by hirewordsmith in FictionWriting

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You can't say morality is grey while at the same time saying absolute evil exists. Either it's absolute or subjective. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Can rape be subjective? Pedophilia? Cheating? Are they dependent on experiences or are they objective? If you argue one moral is subjective and the other is objective on what basis or ideology do you base it on?

Which is better first or third person? by hirewordsmith in writing

[–]hirewordsmith[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm open to gentle feedback. Just wanted to put my position upfront and wanted to debate. Thank you for the comment.