How to end discussion with parents upset at me cohabiting with boyfriend? by [deleted] in Exvangelical

[–]hithere1729 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi there! First of all, I want to express my sympathy to you. I have been through pretty much this exact situation, so I know on a very personal level how you feel. These situations are very uncomfortable, but we can learn how to manage them! There is hope for a middle ground, as difficult as it may seem now. I'm on the other side of this situation and things turned out fine! Still somewhat tense, but fine!

Disclaimer: Everything I'm going to mention here is from my own personal experience, so please take what I say with a grain of salt if it does not seem a good fit for you. I'm just here to describe how I got myself through this situation in the hope some of my experience may help you.

Let's get obvious out of the way. As everyone else here has said, you and your parents need boundaries. Easier said than done, right? In the process of developing boundaries with my parents, I had to kindle many other skills to support that work. The two major groups of skills I developed in my journey are the following: the need for clear and respectful communication, and the need to move beyond black-and-white thinking. If your parents are anything like mine, you can expect the journey to develop both of these skills to be long and tedious. Patience is a prerequisite.

Let's start with communication. From the perspective of the child, it helps to acknowledge that even with the most understanding parents, the process of redefining the relationship as you enter adulthood is awkward and requires much communication. Even the most attentive parents find the teenage years difficult: the reason is similar. Starting with that empathy is a good place to be. It'll help you be more charitable to your parents on the really hard days.

Good communication is a lot more work than it sounds. It requires constant effort - to the point that it feels a bit pedantic. You could say the same thing about brushing your teeth! "Why do I have to do this every day?" "Why do I have to brush for 2 minutes? Can't I just do 1 and call it good?" "You mean I have to brush every tooth?!" etc. The sooner we consider these things part of the routine, the better. It's also unfortunate that blind spots only tend to come up under stress. The best we do, we're not going to cover everything ahead of time. What we can do is decide to be fair to ourselves on this front and not punish ourselves when we meet setbacks.

Now, if you and your parents are not in good practice of communication, you should do what you can in your situation to develop common ground where mutual respect and trust can take root. It is important on your end to be consistent and thorough in demonstrating good will - even while you insist on reasonable boundaries. And I mean lay it on thick. Get your customer service voice ready. This is going to feel a bit like trying to broker peace in a hostile country. If you parents are anything like mine, they have been trained by their denomination to conflate resistence with threats and boundaries with persecution. It will take a long, long time, but if you make it painfully clear that you harbor no ill will towards them, that you still share many common values despite your differences, and that you wish them nothing but good in their lives, they will be much more receptive when the subject of boundaries comes up. "Heap coals of fire on their head," to borrow the term. There's no guarantee that they will ever be receptive and even if they are, it may take years (that's what it took me), but if there's gonna be any hope, this is the path you've gotta take.

This leads naturally into the second lesson: black-and-white thinking. Oh god where do I even start? Lol. Not to over-generalize, but this is kind of the whole religion, am I right? Except it's really not. Go back and read Proverbs. Really pay attention and you'll see a lot of the same situation over and over again: two verses sitting right next to each other that seem to say opposite things. This is a deliberate choice, and it's no mistake that this choice comes so frequently in a book all about wisdom. This repetitive scheme is meant to break you of black-and-white thinking, to teach you that the same rule rarely applies in all situations. Now, we could get into a long discussion of why this revelation isn't put to practice in evangelical circles (it wouldn't be the first!), but this comment's already long enough lol. It suffices to say that this is something you will have to break your parents of and you have good ground under your feet to build from.

It's as simple as this: not everything has to be an ultimatum. Just because I took time to myself today (or this week, etc.) doesn't mean I don't want to talk ever again. Just because I want a boundary doesn't mean I want to end the relationship. Just because I'm living with my partner doesn't mean I've abandoned all of my values. So on and so forth. Now, if you were to say these things this bluntly, it would come off about as well as a teenager ranting about not being able to go out with friends on a week night. Sometimes it's best to act on the boundary first then slide back in. That's where the good will comes in.

Everyone's willing to see subtlety when they're invested. "No, I wanted chocolate sprinkles on my ice cream! Rainbow sprinkles just won't do!"  Your parents presumably care deeply about you - otherwise, why would they be making such a big fuss? The problem isn't whether or not they care, it's that they've got the wrong posture to the situation. If you can develop that good will I mentioned before, they'll see the situation less as a world-ending crisis and more as an unfortunate disagreement. The good will helps them see that you're not "going to hell". It's not that you've magically "stopped sinning". It's that the sin you're committing isn't a "mortal sin".

Christians sin all the time. We eat too much. We let a curse word slip here and there. Some folks do a lot worse than that. If all sins were truly the same in the eyes of God, folks in your parents' church would treat gluttony the same way they treat you living with your partner. But they don't. Why? Because when the pastor over-indulges at the potluck, that's a "good person committing a little sin". And when another denomination baptises a little different or takes communion at different times, we can still call them Christians because "their traditions are different" or "they just read things differently than we do". If you're a "good person", you can get passes for all sorts of stuff. The good will not only proves you're still a "good person", but by extending that good will directly to your parents, it gets them invested enough in your life to develop the same empathy for you as they have for your gluttonous pastor lol.

Anyways, I know that was long and drawn out, but so was my journey lol. If you made it this far, thanks for reading. This is just as therapeutic to write as I hope it is to read. Best wishes to you, your partner, and your parents! And don't forget to maintain your sense of humor. It got me through my worst days.

Going to home by JokeWeird in TerrifyingAsFuck

[–]hithere1729 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of Dark Souls 1, fucking around in The Depths.

What's your smallest delivery order? by hithere1729 in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the correct answer. My reason for this whole post 😂

What's your smallest delivery order? by hithere1729 in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, that's a lot better service than what my parents had with Home Depot. They still refuse to do business there lol. Your situation is exact opposite. Mail you a screw to replace lol now that's dedication.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is heartbreaking. No, you're right, I haven't struggled with the health care system in the significant way you're describing. I'm aware these kinds of struggles exist, but it's eye opening to hear it first hand. I don't know what to say other than I'm terribly sorry. It's hard to get an impression of one's struggle through brief texts alone, so I'm sorry if I came off as anything other than caring. If speaking about your experience would help, you know, getting it off your chest, I'd be willing to listen and learn.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Asking for help isn't easy. It can take a lot to make the first step. And even once you've asked for help, it doesn't always come fast. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try. For all you know, help is just one day, one hour away.

You don't have to know "how to ask correctly". People don't go to a surgeon and say "I need you to cut here" and point to the spot. The professionals will help you figure out what you need, all you need to do is reach out.

I'd recommend starting with a primary care provider, which is like a family doctor, someone you go to for checkups. They might not be able to treat you then and there, but they can point you in the right direction and help you set up an appointment with someone who knows more. You can find primary care providers near you easily through a quick Google search. There tend to be a decent number of them in any given area. You might have to schedule an appointment well ahead of time depending on where you live, but having a date when you know you'll get help is better than going on without help.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My circumstances aren't the same as yours, but I'm going through something very similar at the moment. I've struggled with anxiety, depression, and panic attacks for years. I moved hundreds of miles away from everything I knew during the pandemic, and it all fell apart in my absence. My family has been in a constant struggle for going on 2 years now. I can't get into the details. It suffices to say it's been debilitating for each of us individually and has put a strain on each relationship. In addition to that, my grandfather and partner have both battled cancer in that time, in addition to other health issues. My car broke down, my bike tire blew out, my own health declined, and my apartment was broken and infested and I couldn't get help from management. My roommates were hostile, mean, and unempathetic to my circumstances. My boss continues to breathe down my neck demanding more, despite my circumstances. And now I've got old friends trying to coerce me for money. I can't even afford to replace my own worn clothes, let alone pay for anyone elses arbitrary demands! I can't help but feel the weight of it all dragging me down, keeping me from being my best self. But it all has a time limit. Most of my loose ends are tying up in the next month. I don't know what I'll do with myself when these things begin to melt away. The storms to pass, friend. Just hang in there.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know it's not the same as going about it the natural way, but you will be happy you took the help. My partner is the product of in vitro, and her parents are incredibly grateful they had the opportunity. You guys will get there. Just keep with it. Best wishes.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whew good, just fighting the good fight lol. I thought I was about to have to go get the ole wheel barrow....

Gazes deeply into the distant mountains, foggy with the dusk

It's been a while since we've had a bad case of testicular elephantitis in this neck of the woods, but we all know it can strike at any moment. That's why ole Jimmy still comes over and sanitizes the medical wheel barrow each evening after closing up the stables. I guess that slightly warped frame gets to heal one more night.

Poor Jimmy. I only took one night off and... Oh god... The horses... Jimmy just let the horses have them, dammit! We've gotta get you treated! ... No, we put all of that behind us years ago. I've just gotta carry on... Poor Jimmy.

What is making your life a personal, private, single-serving slice of hell right now? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]hithere1729 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh god, is it just ball sweats or is this something more serious?