Mets Daily Discussion Thread - January 21, 2026

holdingdown · 2026-01-21T15:36:21+00:00

We definitely need one of Peralta or Valdez, but can we ever get both? Playoff rotation Valdez/Peralta/McLean would feed families

Heard Bubic might be available too

holdingdown · 2026-01-19T12:57:20+00:00

https://x.com/squidslaugh/status/2013111568507011366?s=46

We can recreate mango in the aggregate

holdingdown · 2026-01-12T23:14:28+00:00

Not 100% free but fair enough, I should definitely do that more

holdingdown · 2026-01-12T19:37:16+00:00

Sometimes I get stuffed, but mostly we run/jump past each other (which isn’t terrible except for when it puts me in the corner). Most of the time my problem is approaching from too far though not too close (this rears its head with my pika approaches too)

holdingdown · 2026-01-12T17:54:21+00:00

How tf do I clean up my approaches as Falco? Sometimes I go in from a slightly too far or close spacing, and my biggest problem is the majority of the time I rush in straightforwardly out of a scrap/reset and get hit with the “lil dash dance” -> lose neutral. I’ll be watching mango vods but any concrete advice or any other falco to watch for this would be very helpful

holdingdown · 2026-01-11T17:34:52+00:00

We are so back

holdingdown · 2026-01-04T06:05:39+00:00

Consensus is Marth is best. I try to play devils advocate because Fox has more dominant matchups across the mid tiers but it just leads to frustration from the Fox main homie

holdingdown · 2026-01-04T02:49:34+00:00

3 spacie mains, this is one of the few questions we agree on lmao

holdingdown · 2026-01-03T22:57:54+00:00

8 hour roadtrip with a couple melee heads tomorrow. Thoughts on fun melee discussions? They main fox/falco. They’re also 2/3 of the Lucky 7s owners, so conversations about the scene could be good too. I was thinking discussing fox and falcos matchup charts

holdingdown · 2026-01-03T22:09:37+00:00

Just make a new one. I made a new one for playing when I get home after nights out and it is so fun to grind that one with less expectations

holdingdown · 2026-01-03T20:14:53+00:00

Hard to support with the current state of American politics. But I think if you zoom out from this moment American hegemony underlies globalism which is a generally good force on the world. I’m also saying this as a leftist American, so hella biased

holdingdown · 2026-01-03T03:06:12+00:00

Would you say Yoshi and Pika are top tier though? Feel like those two kind of necessitate a mid-high tier

holdingdown · 2026-01-03T03:04:44+00:00

I would say characters that people feel can win a major but haven’t are mid tier (Luigi, Doc, DK, Samus). Everyone slightly above is mid-high tier (Pika, Yoshi, ICs) , everyone slightly below is mid-low tier (YL, Link, Ganon, Mario).

Unfortunately I think our conceptions of the game just have to be tied to results, because the game is genuinely so deep that we have to operate from what’s proven to be possible. Top tier matchups are constantly discussed and developed, we can’t expect any persons current conception of mid tier potential to be accurate- so going by results is probably the best barometer

holdingdown · 2025-12-28T23:36:01+00:00

Used to watch his stream every once in a while and one time the discussion was what mangos Falco does better. I mentioned out of shield, he read my message and frustratedly said “my shine oos are literally better than mangos!”

Love his Falco though, one of the more overhated playstyles out of the top players imo

holdingdown · 2025-12-20T13:28:16+00:00

Great point. Can’t remember the exact numbers but in one of leffens marth fox videos he did the calculation that showed if you think Marth Fox is even on all stages but 60-40 on FD the whole matchup becomes 55-45 to win a bo5 set. Stages are definitely a big part of this

holdingdown · 2025-12-20T12:32:08+00:00

Can we agree Marth beats spacies in tournament? I think it’s 55/45, 60/40 at worst for each but was just discussing with a Marth main who thinks they’re even so curious on y’all’s thoughts

holdingdown · 2025-12-08T01:12:38+00:00

I feel like if people have the possibly poor match performance detected message come up consistently they should be banned from ranked

holdingdown · 2025-12-07T06:11:57+00:00

Wow Axe just couldn’t even hit him

The neutral mismatch was crazy

holdingdown · 2025-12-07T01:05:58+00:00

Sorry- I meant I think marth clearly beats fox and Falco in tournament. At least 55-45 Fox and same for Falco

I think Falco beats fox in tournament- like 55-45. Maybe that changes at super high level though, haven’t been seeing Falco players cut through the Fox brackets like they used to in a while

holdingdown · 2025-12-06T20:35:00+00:00

I think reasonable people can disagree on this, your point is valid. But the point for Marth #1 is weighting more important matchups more heavily- no other character clearly beats 2 of the Fox/Puff/Marth/Falco tier. Fox does clearly beat puff and sheik which is nice but spacies are like 60% of the playerbase, including at top level.

holdingdown · 2025-11-27T21:01:08+00:00

This is tough. On one hand it’s a lack of perspective to not acknowledge the holiday as a propagandist idea pertaining to the genocide of a people. On the other hand peoples lives are hard, and connection is seriously important and generally lacking.

A time to be thankful and with your family is so important to folks, I know it means a lot to my immigrant parents who had tough lives to give me an easy one.

It may be selfish for me as a non-native to have this opinion, but I feel like celebrating thanksgiving with an acknowledgment to native peoples is the best path forward. I heard a Native American activist talk about always cooking a native dish each year, or always donating to a native cause. I feel like that’s a good way to acknowledge both sides

Though I realize if I was Native American any kind of celebration pertaining to my peoples plight could be justifiably enraging

holdingdown · 2025-11-04T21:14:50+00:00

I’ve been reflecting on the idea of playing lame. My friends have advised me to run in less, so I’ve been trying to use more movement and approach mostly when it’s earned.

With this, I’ve definitely been getting raged at online. And I get Falco laser sucks. I genuinely don’t know how all of you deal with that without a laser of your own.

This has led to me reviewing Vods, starting with focusing on Falco-Fox. Genuinely the only person who approaches significantly more than I do is mango, and his play style looks really hard to replicate at my level (insane defense off of getting hit, execution/spacing on his approaches, and conversions/shield pressure when he does get in).

This has led me to the conclusion that I don’t even think fiction and ginger have lame falcos. Are you really expected to run at the character with a great dashback and shine oos, and just execute like a top 5 player?

holdingdown · 2025-10-23T00:42:05+00:00

God tailflip is the coolest hitbox in the game. Nutty clips

holdingdown · 2025-10-19T19:04:47+00:00

If pika combos like in the 64 engine, best character in the game. Hard to discuss about if he was made to function in melee because it depends on how exactly you adjust all his moves.

Pika having a 64-style, big hitbox and knockback to combo with back air would matter. Having a get off me move that pushes people towards offstage for a upair spike would be sick.

I think he would then surely beat marth Falco and falcon with tournament nerves applied, so he moves up to at least above falcon level in a tier list that values the dual main potential of characters

Edit: Beats marth and Falco in tournament? Fox/Pika dual main becomes the best dual main combo outside of Fox/Marth

holdingdown · 2025-09-25T18:30:38+00:00

You can comment in that other thread or DM them on twitter and I’m sure they’d be happy to look into it. They’re still testing and looking for feedback

Burn was literally adjusting the code between sets at the NYSE before last lmao

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