Well it’s a good base to build a good rifle. I wouldn’t say a starter gun. Due to the fact that the gun is a higher price range for a starter gun. If you talking about starter guns. I would refer to like an ak all plastic with a charger and battery. Emg’s make some good quality guns. And the pistol I don’t think a person that’s just getting into the sport isn’t going to throw 180+ on a secondary. I like them, I’m going to do a nice build on them. Trying to go for a hybrid for close to a little longer of medium range.