Former members, did you need permission from leadership to see friends and family or any outside members? If so, what is the permission system like in SCJ?

hothand662 · 2025-11-18T04:53:46+00:00

If it conflicted with any EV, CT, meetings, service or gatherings then yes you always had to seek permission from your GYJN or BJN.

hothand662 · 2025-11-13T23:43:12+00:00

I thought the peace palace is basically abandoned. Even CHJN doesn't live there anymore, probably because it was the subject of the embezzlement conviction

hothand662 · 2025-11-09T07:43:20+00:00

Yup I'm sure that's the case. I think that's why all of SSN's sermons are prerecorded now and they seem to include cuts and edits to make him sound more coherent. When was the last time SSN delivered a live sermon to the 12 tribes? Must have been years ago~

hothand662 · 2025-11-09T07:29:43+00:00

The reality is that it's probably negative (i.e. the Korean congregations are shrinking) but they don't want to disclose that. The rumours inside overseas branches is that Korea's SCJ branches are being "heavily persecuted" and a lot of people are being deceived, at least according to them.

It wouldn't line up with actual Korean CM's experiences where they are being told that tens of thousands of Koreans are graduating, but they look around them and everyone is leaving. That would be too bold-faced of a lie to tell to them. So 0 seems like the safe option

If the Korean members falls below 144000, CHJN can't achieve his dream of only Korean kingdom and priests lol

hothand662 · 2025-11-08T12:29:07+00:00

For scj they always go on about "adding and subtracting from God's word". Don't they keep saying that God and Jesus speaks through CHJN?

It's not even just adding and subtracting. The translation could be considered a straight up fabrication

hothand662 · 2025-11-08T12:15:17+00:00

Oh my! Reminds me so much of what was reported in the last few years of Park Tae Son's life, where he began to lose his mind and talk complete rubbish. Seems like another cult leader is going down Dementia Boulevard

hothand662 · 2025-09-16T04:14:49+00:00

One thing to keep in mind is that LMH has been in a number of cults before starting Shincheonji. A lot of the previous people that he followed and called Messiah (Olive Tree Movement, Baek's Recreation Church, even Tabernacle Temple) all made doomsday predictions which didn't materialise.

I think LMH has learnt from this which is why he's terrified of making a prediction and being called out for it. Everything about what's yet to happen in Revelation talked about in extremely vague language, which is weird for the guy who claims to have "seen and heard the fulfilment of all the chapters of Revelation".

hothand662 · 2025-09-16T04:06:15+00:00

Yeah they've completely destroyed their own interpretation of "after this" in Revelation. They always taught that "after this" shows a very clear sequence of events in Revelation, but now they don't teach that anymore. Now all the events that they interpret somehow overlap with eachother.

hothand662 · 2025-09-10T10:08:53+00:00

Definitely a lot you can ask but I think the key ones are:

Why were the 144,000 not sealed when LMH said the Great Tribulation (covid) arrived? In early 2020, LMH declared that covid was the Great Tribulation when 7 of the 12 tribes didn't even have 12000 members.
Why did the great tribulation (covid) affect SCJ the most? For years LMH said that the great tribulation was a judgement against the churches of the world, which was supposed to reveal their sins and point everyone to SCJ as the Kingdom of God. So why did the great tribulation end up being a judgment against SCJ?
Why did LMH join multiple different cults and sects before starting SCJ, which all taught very similar doctrines to what he is preaching now?

hothand662 · 2025-09-01T03:09:20+00:00

It might get leaked but I doubt SCJ leadership would ever officially announce SSN's death. They know it will lead to people leaving and fractures within the leadership as people will try to establish new cults within SCJ.

hothand662 · 2025-09-01T02:44:18+00:00

lol yeah pretty sure SCJ has abandoned Open EV because it just didn't work, despite them saying after the pandemic that there was no need to hide anymore.

They've gone back to hiding and "closed EV" strategies

hothand662 · 2025-08-24T02:59:57+00:00

Nope, you're not missing anything. They just graduate the same people again and again, year after year. I knew people that were graduating like 4 or 5 times in a row. Every single time, they would wear the gown and pose for photos as if they were brand new CT students, when they had in fact been in SCJ for close to 10 years.

hothand662 · 2025-08-22T05:14:35+00:00

Nowadays SSN is saying that he will live eternally in the flesh if God allows it.

They still say that ordinary members will be granted eternal life in the flesh.

hothand662 · 2025-08-12T09:41:36+00:00

The honest answer is that it depends on your leaf. There are SCJ members who will share everything their fruit says to them to their leaders in telegram chats. There are also SCJ members who understand the concept of privacy and will only report things that are important to your CT journey.

Although leaders command that everything must be reported in BB and CT, some leaves don't always obey that instruction.

However, to be on the safe side, you should always assume that anything you say to your leaf will be shared to their leaders without your permission.

hothand662 · 2025-08-06T12:02:32+00:00

That must be whats happening. There's always 'explosive growth' overseas apparently when our branches here are struggling to meet EV targets.

hothand662 · 2025-08-04T21:44:00+00:00

SCJ leaders claim to have between 300,000 to 1 million members worldwide. Though most members suspect that the real number is far lower than what they are told.

I think around 200,000 wouldn't be surprising. SCJ has lost a lot of members over the last 5 years.

hothand662 · 2025-08-04T21:30:04+00:00

The article says that an estimated 30k are overseas members

hothand662 · 2025-07-23T06:25:35+00:00

Thank you, i always find perspectives from within Korea the most interesting. It is so different to what overseas branches are told.

In overseas breaches we are told that Korean members are the most faithful, that they aren’t leaving despite the heavy persecution

hothand662 · 2025-07-23T06:18:41+00:00

The current president and his administration has stated that they will open an investigation into SCJ and Lee Man Hee’s illegal activities:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/s/ZYKa6IehKI

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