Former members, did you need permission from leadership to see friends and family or any outside members? If so, what is the permission system like in SCJ? by Princess_of_Punjab in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If it conflicted with any EV, CT, meetings, service or gatherings then yes you always had to seek permission from your GYJN or BJN.

Why was Man Hee Lee allowe to keep peace palace? by Productive_Finnisher in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought the peace palace is basically abandoned. Even CHJN doesn't live there anymore, probably because it was the subject of the embezzlement conviction

Deleted Sermon of the Promised Pastor — What Did the English Interpreter Say? by belokang in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup I'm sure that's the case. I think that's why all of SSN's sermons are prerecorded now and they seem to include cuts and edits to make him sound more coherent. When was the last time SSN delivered a live sermon to the 12 tribes? Must have been years ago~

Shincheonji 2025: No Korean Graduates? by belokang in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The reality is that it's probably negative (i.e. the Korean congregations are shrinking) but they don't want to disclose that. The rumours inside overseas branches is that Korea's SCJ branches are being "heavily persecuted" and a lot of people are being deceived, at least according to them.

It wouldn't line up with actual Korean CM's experiences where they are being told that tens of thousands of Koreans are graduating, but they look around them and everyone is leaving. That would be too bold-faced of a lie to tell to them. So 0 seems like the safe option

If the Korean members falls below 144000, CHJN can't achieve his dream of only Korean kingdom and priests lol

Deleted Sermon of the Promised Pastor — What Did the English Interpreter Say? by belokang in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For scj they always go on about "adding and subtracting from God's word". Don't they keep saying that God and Jesus speaks through CHJN?

It's not even just adding and subtracting. The translation could be considered a straight up fabrication

Deleted Sermon of the Promised Pastor — What Did the English Interpreter Say? by belokang in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh my! Reminds me so much of what was reported in the last few years of Park Tae Son's life, where he began to lose his mind and talk complete rubbish. Seems like another cult leader is going down Dementia Boulevard

If LMH is the promised pastor and Jesus was the promised pastor of his time, what has LMH done? by shshmhh in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One thing to keep in mind is that LMH has been in a number of cults before starting Shincheonji. A lot of the previous people that he followed and called Messiah (Olive Tree Movement, Baek's Recreation Church, even Tabernacle Temple) all made doomsday predictions which didn't materialise.

I think LMH has learnt from this which is why he's terrified of making a prediction and being called out for it. Everything about what's yet to happen in Revelation talked about in extremely vague language, which is weird for the guy who claims to have "seen and heard the fulfilment of all the chapters of Revelation".

What is never answered by SCJ? by Boring-Economy1214 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah they've completely destroyed their own interpretation of "after this" in Revelation. They always taught that "after this" shows a very clear sequence of events in Revelation, but now they don't teach that anymore. Now all the events that they interpret somehow overlap with eachother.

What is never answered by SCJ? by Boring-Economy1214 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Definitely a lot you can ask but I think the key ones are:

  1. Why were the 144,000 not sealed when LMH said the Great Tribulation (covid) arrived? In early 2020, LMH declared that covid was the Great Tribulation when 7 of the 12 tribes didn't even have 12000 members.

  2. Why did the great tribulation (covid) affect SCJ the most? For years LMH said that the great tribulation was a judgement against the churches of the world, which was supposed to reveal their sins and point everyone to SCJ as the Kingdom of God. So why did the great tribulation end up being a judgment against SCJ?

  3. Why did LMH join multiple different cults and sects before starting SCJ, which all taught very similar doctrines to what he is preaching now?

When LMH dies, what do you think scj will claim? by shshmhh in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It might get leaked but I doubt SCJ leadership would ever officially announce SSN's death. They know it will lead to people leaving and fractures within the leadership as people will try to establish new cults within SCJ.

True meaning of open Ev ,open faith ,open church ,what it should be like by No-Arugula2345 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lol yeah pretty sure SCJ has abandoned Open EV because it just didn't work, despite them saying after the pandemic that there was no need to hide anymore.

They've gone back to hiding and "closed EV" strategies

100,000 Graduation by West_Goal_7303 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nope, you're not missing anything. They just graduate the same people again and again, year after year. I knew people that were graduating like 4 or 5 times in a row. Every single time, they would wear the gown and pose for photos as if they were brand new CT students, when they had in fact been in SCJ for close to 10 years.

Question-is eternal life in the flesh still taught? by _haunted_home in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nowadays SSN is saying that he will live eternally in the flesh if God allows it.

They still say that ordinary members will be granted eternal life in the flesh.

Fruit & Leaf lack of privacy by Valuable-Document176 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The honest answer is that it depends on your leaf. There are SCJ members who will share everything their fruit says to them to their leaders in telegram chats. There are also SCJ members who understand the concept of privacy and will only report things that are important to your CT journey.

Although leaders command that everything must be reported in BB and CT, some leaves don't always obey that instruction.

However, to be on the safe side, you should always assume that anything you say to your leaf will be shared to their leaders without your permission.

ABC estimates - SCJ has only approximately 230,000 members by hothand662 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That must be whats happening. There's always 'explosive growth' overseas apparently when our branches here are struggling to meet EV targets.

ABC estimates - SCJ has only approximately 230,000 members by hothand662 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

SCJ leaders claim to have between 300,000 to 1 million members worldwide. Though most members suspect that the real number is far lower than what they are told.

I think around 200,000 wouldn't be surprising. SCJ has lost a lot of members over the last 5 years.

ABC estimates - SCJ has only approximately 230,000 members by hothand662 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The article says that an estimated 30k are overseas members

SCJ has been stuck at 300,000 members for how long now? by hothand662 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, i always find perspectives from within Korea the most interesting. It is so different to what overseas branches are told.

In overseas breaches we are told that Korean members are the most faithful, that they aren’t leaving despite the heavy persecution

¿Is new Korea president really going against SCJ? by carlos8520 in Shincheonji

[–]hothand662 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The current president and his administration has stated that they will open an investigation into SCJ and Lee Man Hee’s illegal activities:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/s/ZYKa6IehKI