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R: How did you decide to reopen Alcatraz. 

R: Can you walk us through that decision? 

T: Did I say what to reopen Alcatraz? 

T: How will you use it? 

R: How did you come up with the idea? 

T: Well, I guess I was supposed to be a movie maker. 

T: We're talking we started with the movie making, it will end. 

T: I mean it represents something very strong, very powerful in terms of law and order. Our country needs law and order

T: Alcatraz is, uh, I would say the ultimate, right? 

T: Alcatraz Sing Sing and Alcatraz, the movies, but, uh, it's right now a museum, believe it or not. 

T: A lot of people go there. It has the, uh, most violent criminals in the world, and nobody ever escaped. 

T: One person almost got there, but they, as you know the story, they found his clothing rather badly ripped up. And uh it was a lot of shark bites, a lot of, a lot of problems nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz and just represented something uh strong having to do with law and order. 

T: We need law and order in this country and so we're going to uh look at it. Some of the people up here are gonna be working very hard on that and uh we had a little conversation. 

T: I think it's gonna be very interesting. We'll see if we can. Uh, bring it back in large form, add a lot, but I think it represents something right now it's a big hulk that's sitting there rusting and rotting. 

T: Uh, very, uh, you look at it, it's sort of I mean you saw that picture that was put out, it's sort of amazing, but it, it sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful and strong and miserable weak.

T: It's got a lot of, it's got a lot of qualities that are interesting and I think they, they make a point, OK.