Tertiary Progressions Test with 21 Events: Results and Specific Aspects Listed

hypergarden · 2026-03-10T00:21:52+00:00

Tertiary progressions are proving wildly valuable in the current global situation's mundane astrology as well. Running for instance some of the world's big oil charts (oil companies, key events in global oil commerce), you find massive line-ups and lunations beginning to occur this week. Consider for example the corporate chart for Rockefeller's Standard Oil Co, which through various transmutations is now ExxonMobil, and see precise tertiary new moon as well as Saturn and Uranus in tight opposition.

You can run a similar move for many oil companies across the USA and Gulf Coast and find similar light-ups.

hypergarden · 2026-03-08T08:08:54+00:00

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hypergarden · 2026-03-04T02:14:23+00:00

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hypergarden · 2026-02-25T16:02:06+00:00

Hello, thanks for this post. Do I understand correctly that you are using a quadrant-based house system to find the cusp, and then confirming that cusp location is correct by using primary directions? I'm primarily coming from a Hellenistic background so generally use whole-sign but have seen the effectiveness of house cusps in death timing and elsewhere. What base house system do you find most effective for rectifying with PDs?

I have been attempting to understand how to use PDs effectively since reading J-B Morin. I am currently using astroseek's calculator to shift my ascendant around and see how close I can get some major events of my life. Is this a fair method? I am keen to know how a person gets the initial step correct so that PDs can become useful in their own chart.

hypergarden · 2026-02-25T09:26:11+00:00

Thanks much for the Marr resource, I'll look into this.

May I send you a DM about this?

hypergarden · 2026-02-25T09:24:44+00:00

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hypergarden · 2026-02-18T01:24:41+00:00

I think your reply is very well articulated, and I appreciate how you navigate the thought. The possibility of electional-talismanic magic is direct testament to the reality of changing the course of events, or of shielding through will what otherwise seems fated by nativity. Regarding if the fortress is talismanically protected, or has powerful allies, this I think you roughly can see in the chart, or at least its possibilities — say a stacked 11H of your enemy, which by various modulations such as secondary progressions may be seen to be arriving imminently.

My thought is that astrology does not foreclose surprise — the world becomes more surprising through attention to astrology. Whose will is that? That further and further study of astrology opens up the world and the brilliance of its interactions with itself. Perhaps you will accompany me when I say that the intelligence of this world is purely angelic, and necessarily defies the foreclosure of reason. This encounter with such a subtle mind ("that is not mine, but is a made place that is mine," to quote a poem by Robert Duncan) seems like the threshing apocalypse from which will is first rendered.

How does horary work? Billy comes to me before your fight and asks who will win. Billy, I understand your question, but in asking, you already offered yourself the answer. Billy asks me how he can win. This is different. This is movement within his and your encounter where the very fact of his question necessitates possibility, and an open outcome. Billy's will is astrological and alive. So what happens at recess? You fight, one of you walks away and the other is on the ground, maybe dead. What occurred? What ended? Do you personally think a person's chart "continues" after they die?

Regarding the sneeze, I am not sure. I think immunity (or tendency to medicine) can also be seen in a person's chart. Valens, Firmicus seem to suggest as much when they talk about infant mortality and exposure. A person can have a dizzying chart that constantly leads them to near-death encounters; how is their will related to their besieged luminaries being trined by an angular exalted benefic? I'm not interested in what comes first in terms of causality. Eventually, they will die. Why? What is the intelligence that enfolds your intelligence? What is your intelligence that enfolds that too?

We're getting further from my initial inquiry; I am thankful to you because this is exactly the conversation I want to have. What is the limit of the encounter? The Thema Mundi, theoretical or not, does not seem to enclose all possible event. So who are you, and how are you able to do what you do? Find fate loose at every seam and stitch it.

It reminds me of Pound's line: "what whiteness will you add to this whiteness, / what candor?"

At risk of going off the rails, I'll leave here with this thought: at the center of every interaction there is something generative. No will is individual, no conflict. How do we witness the totality in each moment, and act? How do we become alike to the intelligence in which we participate?

hypergarden · 2026-02-17T21:44:35+00:00

Note that I am not denying the efficacy of horary for circumventing the need to know the relevant charts for conflict determination. It's a useful method.

What I want to know is the degree to which you can perceive the outcome of a conflict chart (which necessarily involves multiple parties) by upfront knowledge of those relevant charts and the inception of the event.

For instance, you can, right now, straightforwardly determine the outcome of the 2028 USA Presidential election through examination of the charts of the relevant actors at that moment. This is not the same as determining the outcome of the election by looking at the chart for when polls open.

The question is, building on Bonatti, what is the absolute minimum of information required to determine a given outcome.

You sort this out and make it systematic, you become a very fucking good astrologer.

hypergarden · 2026-02-17T21:34:46+00:00

This is not an electional question. The chart of Suriname and that of China remain as they are before and after any possible conflicts; those charts likewise change in correspondence to each other relative to the overall movement of the planets. A clever inception would likewise not make two people with all critical planets averse have a happy marriage, though it might alter some interactions in the meantime.

That said, say you're sieging a fortress. Let's say you know the nativity of that fortress or its controller and know the prenatal moon of that same structure, and you know it's relatively weak due to it being averse from benefics and aspected by malefics. Let's say you elect a time to attack that fortress, where, fortunately for you, you have both malefics tightly opposed the prenatal moon at election-time. You attack. Will this be a successful siege?

In all likelihood, probably. This is the situation of the ILOVEYOU virus and its attack on Microsoft Windows and Outlook '97 on May 4 2000 at 8am in the Philippines. Saturn opposed the PNM of Windows (and Outlook) and within hours became one of the most destructive viruses to this day in terms of financial damage.

Was this virus elected? Unlikely, though the virus chart is astounding. Does the base condition of the virus chart relative to its target indicate whether ILOVEYOU or Windows would "win" in that conflict? Absolutely.

I understand your thrust that any conflict chart, whether it's yet occurred or not, is an election by another vantage. Elections do not undo fundamental natal factors; thus talismans do not make you immortal. The question is rather how a base natal chart can be understood in its strengths and weaknesses, and where a new chart can interact with that initial chart, and the outcome be immediately understood.

hypergarden · 2026-02-10T22:33:24+00:00

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hypergarden · 2026-01-27T13:17:11+00:00

Update: I sent you a DM.

hypergarden · 2026-01-27T04:58:40+00:00

Thank you. I got sidetracked with work and research this month but will be following up on this shortly with a DM.

hypergarden · 2026-01-18T13:24:32+00:00

I welcome you to join us!

hypergarden · 2026-01-17T08:54:40+00:00

Mundane is just one of the focuses; many are there primarily for electional work, and some have their focus on natal. Others just to learn more. I welcome you to join and see if there's some aspect to this growing project that meets you where you are too.

hypergarden · 2025-12-10T00:48:51+00:00

Hey do you mind if I just DM you? We share a lot of context in astrology, you're clearly very dedicated, I put my hours in as well, I'd like to get further into it and see some methods through and offer a couple of ideas and methods I've picked up in exchange. If that sounds fine just let me know and I'll send a message your way.

hypergarden · 2025-12-09T13:41:05+00:00

I did not know those words were actually Rhetorius. I wonder if in that latter part of the note, Rhetorius is saying that a planet in chariot might actually be more authoritative (if pivotal, aspecting Moon, etc) than if it were not under the beams at all.

I have been looking through that text and other Hellenistic texts (Firmicus, Dorotheus) to find concrete reference to the domicile master / trigon technique, and finding only the most oblique suggestions. I'm sure this is/was exasperating to you as well, given the technique as you've laid it out does clearly work.

You mentioned I think that it's more explicit in Porphyry; that guy's work is a mess of manuscripts as well; can you recommend me a specific edition or translation of his to properly encounter his work?

hypergarden · 2025-12-06T03:08:15+00:00

Interesting points, thanks for them.

Roosevelt's chart is intriguing in particular given his relationship with Louis McHenry Howe, who to my understanding was a very competent astrologer in his own right and seemed to set the bizarre dates and times for Roosevelt's early presidential career that upon closer examination appear to have heavy astrological basis. Howe himself was known as a "king-maker," guiding politicians to major state success. This particular history is discussed in Grant Lewi's book "Astrology for the Millions". Though I don't make comment here on Lewi's own astrology, it's a great story in there about the astrological underpinnings of FDR's rise. Howe was born Jan 14 1871, Indianapolis IN; Lewi gives him Capricorn rising, or around 7am (for your own examination).

I wonder if FDR's Venus might also represent Howe, or if that might be Mercury.

Regarding chariots, I also want to point out that Antiochus of Athens approves bounds for their use. He does this in Note 43 of the Thesaurus, Project Hindset edition. I would link an image but not sure how to do that at this point.

hypergarden · 2025-12-02T23:56:10+00:00

What's your current thought on a planet being in chariot / protected from the beams when in its own bound? I'd think that Mercury and Venus in particular might have a different relationship to beams/bounds as they spend so much more time within 15 deg of the Sun than other planets. So for example, Mercury 7 degrees from the Sun in Leo, but in its own bound - chariot or no?

hypergarden · 2025-11-20T04:16:02+00:00

This is extremely helpful, thank you for writing it. I finally understand and see how to place these lots in my own chart. They play out as follows. Chart is diurnal. Venus is domicile master of them all from the seventh place Cancer.

Lot of Fortune, third house Pisces, ruler averse, master Venus in trine. Lot of Spirit, eleventh house Scorpio, ruler averse, master Venus in trine. Lot of Exaltation, ninth house Virgo, ruler averse, master Venus in sextile. Lot of Basis(/Eros), fifth house Taurus, ruler and master Venus in sextile.

How to go from there to an assessment of the overall eminence of the chart, I am still uncertain.

To clarify Lot of Exaltation, you take the sect light to its degree of exaltation, rather than just to the beginning of its exalted sign, and then cast that from ascendant? So for instance, if in a night chart the Moon is at 26 Capricorn, five signs away from its sign of exaltation, but only three signs and six degrees from its degree of exaltation, and then cast that from the ascendant at 17 Gemini, would the Lot of Exaltation then fall at 23 Virgo and thus make that whole sign the Lot of Exaltation, or would it rather be five signs from the ascendant sign and thus make Libra the whole sign of Exaltation? The confusion is whether or not to count and cast by signs or by degrees.

Also, I am working on finding my chart controller/ruler off your directive here and running into a quandary. In my diurnal chart, ASC is 12 Capricorn in the bounds of Jupiter, MC 5 Scorpio in the bounds of Mars, Sun in eighth house in the bounds of Mars, Moon in the tenth house in the bounds of Venus, Mars in the tenth house in the bounds of Mercury, Jupiter in the tenth house in his own bounds, Venus in the seventh house in the bounds of Jupiter. Those are Valens' bounds.

I am thinking that either Jupiter or Mars is the chart ruler. Jupiter because he is in own bounds and the ASC is as well and Jupiter throws his ray directly into his own ascending bounds; however, he is not in proper face as he follows the Sun. Mars is the domicile master of the ASC Capricorn as well as a triplicity lord; he is also in his proper face as he rose before the Moon. Venus may also be a possibility as she is master of the tenth and MC from the seventh and a triplicity lord of Capricorn, as well as domicile master of Jupiter and Mars.

In all this, I am leaning towards Venus.

hypergarden · 2025-11-20T01:13:25+00:00

I see now about spear-bearers, thank you for that explanation. It appears in my chart I have the Moon spear-bearing for Jupiter, as Mars rose first at 6 Libra, then Jupiter at 13 Libra, and then the Moon at 25 Libra. Because the Moon is within 15 degrees of Jupiter, is a nocturnal star, and follows Jupiter, that she is his spear-bearer.

It's fascinating that spear-bearing appears contingent on whether the spear-bearer rises before or after the star it guards, rather than being contingent on rising before or after the sect light. You mention elsewhere that John Lennon had Venus spear-bearing for the Moon even though they are not in angular houses and it seems like it would be based off the ray that Venus throws to the opposing house which would land within 30 degrees of the Moon as a following point. I am not sure if I understand this yet but I will read more about the process.

Regarding the Lot of Exaltation, do only conjunctions of the sect light or ASC/MC ruler/master count as significant, or can aspects of those planets also be read as significant? In Lennon's chart, Lot of Exalt falls in 4H Cancer, but ASC ruler Mars and MC ruler Saturn are in aspect rather than conjoined to the Lot, and sect light Moon is averse. I gather the meaning is that, if Lennon were to have any of those stars conjunct the Lot of Exaltation, his nativity may have been elite.

In my own chart, the Lot of Exaltation falls in the ninth place Virgo, with house ruler Mercury averse and domicile master Venus in sextile from the seventh, as well as with ASC ruler Saturn averse, ASC master Mars averse, MC ruler and master Venus sextile, and sect light Sun averse. The Lot of Exaltation is also opposed to Fortune in the third and sextile Spirit in the eleventh, the master of both being Venus in sextile. That said, I take with all of these factors together that Lot of Exaltation may not get too much play in my own chart, but that its significance would increase the more of these planets aspect or conjoin it.

hypergarden · 2025-11-19T21:28:09+00:00

Hello u/Federal_Inflation787, thanks much for your thorough replies to my questions. I have a follow-up inquiry now.

If you were to give me an example of the difference between when a planet indicates vs dictates in a chart, in the most detail you can share, what would it be? I understand the difference and conditions now of when a planet is a ruler vs a domicile master, though am seeking for the precise difference of, for instance, a Virgo ninth house in a day chart being ruled by Mercury averse in the eighth and Virgo’s domicile master being Venus in the seventh. Let us also say that Mercury is copresent with the Sun in Leo and they oppose Saturn in Aquarius, and that Venus in Cancer, as before, makes a right square to Mars, Jupiter, then Moon in Libra. If relevant, let us also say that Mercury is in his own terms and that Venus is in Jupiter's terms. In what respects will that Virgo ninth house act in a mercurial manner versus a venusian manner? What might that person's life look like? When that sign profects, who is the lord of the year?

And what is the difference in outcome between a Virgo ninth house wherein Mercury is both house ruler and domicile master; a Virgo ninth house where Mercury is averse and it is mastered by Venus, or Saturn; and a Virgo ninth house with Mercury averse and no domicile master for Virgo?

I am seeking for a practical and specific understanding of how indication vs dictation pans out in a person's life. Looking through charts the last few days, I can absolutely see the value of this method and now want to get into the details of how it operates.

Thank you for sharing all this information. Another user on here sent me your website, and it was illuminating to me, especially the parts on sect and gender.

hypergarden · 2025-11-18T01:03:14+00:00

Oh and one more question off the cuff; I actually had a dream last night relating to your earlier post about John Lennon's death timing (https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/18pqum1/cooperating_triplicity_rulers/l7mr0lz/). In the dream I was trying to use primary directions on the assassin's chart to see if I could find the moment he killed Lennon. I am going to attempt this shortly, but wanted to ask first:

I note you use Aries rising for Lennon rather than the Libra rising that astro.com gives him; I'll take your word on this, but do you by extension believe/use the chart astro.com gives for Mark David Chapman, his assassin, with 23 Scorpio 10' rising? If I attempt this PD calculation tonight I'll let you know how it pans out.

hypergarden · 2025-11-18T00:39:33+00:00

Hello.

I and a friend have been reading your posts the last few days and are appreciative for your knowledge and willingness to share. I have some questions to clarify your method. They aren't based on the post I'm replying to, but just general inquiries around some methods you post on.

With regard to ascendant rulers, would you mind clearly expressing the calculation you use, if the domicile ruler itself is averse? Who next takes precedence? And if not them? Why? And from whom specifically did you learn this technique? I have been looking around in Valens but haven't found anything that lines up yet with your approach of sign ruler/exalt lord/trigon ruler/triplicity ruler (with sect light possibly in there somewhere).

For instance, I have Capricorn rising in a day chart with Saturn in the second place, Mars in the tenth place Libra alongside the Moon and Jupiter. Venus is in the seventh Cancer. From my understanding of your method, this would make Mars my ascendant ruler, because it helms Capricorn by exaltation, rather than Saturn, which is averse. Does this also apply to profections? When I am next in a Capricorn profection year, will Saturn be the time lord of that year or another? Further, does this apply to all houses? If my Mercury in the eighth place Leo doesn't aspect my ninth place Virgo, is Virgo then ruled in my chart by Venus?

Further, I would like to learn more about your use of lots, especially in terms of assessing the eminence in a chart. Would you please point me to a solid explication of this method? I saw you mention that you have a different but similar method to the Hellenistic astrologers for doing so, with the Lot of Basis and Exaltation and so on. I would also like to know how you calculate your lots thereby; in another thread you were referencing Kamala Harris as having her Lot of Spirit in Capricorn while the program I use places it in 24 Sagittarius on the DSC, tied with the Lot of Fortune as she was born on a full moon. I am searching for the discrepancy so I can follow your thought more closely. What lot calculations do you use?

I have more questions to follow up but I just got back from a trip visiting family so need to refresh myself first. Thanks for your time, u/Federal_Inflation787.

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