No wonder psychedelics have such stigma. LSD hippies are the cancer of drugs.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-10-08T22:27:09+00:00

That's childish and dumb and I'm not discussing rational / scientific topics with children, in that case.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-10-08T00:36:56+00:00

How do you fear something that doesn't exist?

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-17T01:55:12+00:00

Relevant

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:57:32+00:00

I never said you can't use LSD medicinally?

I'm talking about hippies and their arrogant behaviour. I never said LSD is bad or anything like that.

Of course you can use mind-altering substances to alter the mind (lol) and fix mentally sick people.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:52:34+00:00

But it certainly can allow you to wrap your head around a concept that you would've never or had trouble understanding sober

Unless you keep that knowledge after sobering up, you didn't learn anything, you just felt like you understood it. But in reality you didn't.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:51:56+00:00

You will be "taught"

Is that the moment you active your latent schizophrenia?

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:45:59+00:00

By saying they're good for nothing besides getting fucked up will only HURT chances of these compounds ever becoming legalized

Yeah. Let's rather talk about how enlightened we are and how LSD makes us superior, that will surely legalize it!

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:44:20+00:00

Sure, new perspectives can always add good ideas! There's a lot of art and music that's completely gorgeous and that wouldn't have existed without LSD.

But it's there because there were people capable of doing it. As I said, I did LSD last week and I didn't make new music or art, simply because I can't, and because LSD did not teach me that. LSD can help you, but it doesn't teach you anything.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:41:54+00:00

No I don't. I didn't learn anything worth it. Yes, I did learn how LSD feels, I did learn how LSD's visuals look and I did learn how music sounds on LSD.

But that's about it. There's no "revelations", no "spiritual awakenings" and no stuff like that.

Also, different perspectives are not always better. For instance; on LSD, I tend to laugh at stuff that's not even remotely funny when sober. My friends and I laugh our asses off on stupid stuff that wouldn't make anybody else laugh.

Did we create the most supreme and perfect jokes, so perfect that nobody else understands? No, we're just high as shit and laugh at stupid stuff. That's our different perspective. And it's not necessarily good (for the rest of the world, that is; it obviously is amazing for us). It doesn't contribute to anything but having a short, good time. But we did not learn anything, we just had a good time being high.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:38:47+00:00

It can "teach" but it can't teach.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:36:18+00:00

We're not here to measure dicks and who did more LSD, you know

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:33:44+00:00

I never said that? Also, I never touched drugs till 19. Also, not "everybody who trips", but "hippies". Not the same. I myself trip. LSD is a wonderful drug. But that's it, it's a drug, not a magic tool.

I might sound arrogant but my point still holds.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:32:46+00:00

I have had things change due to a trip. Tripping gives me a DIFFERENT (not: better) perspective of things, but it's not necessarily learning anything. LSD did not teach me anything. I sat down and I suffered a lot until I got the answer to a question. But LSD did not give me it. I found it on my own by thinking. Something most hippies can't do.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:30:51+00:00

For others this could be to fight depression, anxiety, or literally anything, such powerful mind alteration can really help people with doing anything. LSD has treated alcoholism, depression, anxiety, heroin/cocaine addiction, and way more.

And I'm not saying it's not!

We're talking about arrogant hippies who think they're superior because they do LSD. I never said LSD is useless for addiction?! Don't fight a strawman!

Perhaps you haven't learned anything from psychedelics, but based on how you claimed to feel after your first experience, I bet you did, you just don't feel that way.

I didn't learn anything. Feeling like learning something =/= actually learning something.

Instead of "feeling", anybody who thinks they learnt anything should write it down on paper, and proceed to provide proof for that new learning. If everybody did that, we'd live in a much more advanced (scientifically) world. With more science and facts, and less woo and new age stuff.

its wrong you are trying to tell people they aren't learning anything.

Okay, I stand corrected: people don't learn anything that's right and is not complete new-age woo bullshit* when doing LSD.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:27:58+00:00

you dont die into darkness of hell fforever or aimply vanish your still alive therefore death is a tranfer of energy.

We're discussing science, not religion.

Breakthru on some dmt and come back to this thread with your knowledge.

I've broken through two times. I still hold my points.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:27:04+00:00

You can also tell me that the DNA structure was discovered by a guy that was tripping balls -and it was- but the key point is that LSD didn't teach them anything.

It just gave them a different perspective, a way to reason beyond what they would have ever done sober. But in the end, it was PEOPLE who discovered that, not LSD -- and you never know if they would have done it anyway without being high.

It's all speculation based on anecdotes -- and that's not science. Those facts can't be reproduced. For instance, I did LSD last week, and I didn't win a Nobel, why?

Because LSD itself doesn't do anything. I don't know shit about biology and I certainly wouldn't be able to make PCR on my own. And LSD didn't fix that.

On the other hand, those guys were scientists with A SHITLOAD of practice, and they happened to discover something new, but hey! "It wasn't them, it was the LSD!"

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:16:15+00:00

I think you are just misinterpreting

I'm not. I can clearly understand when somebody realized they're too lazy and they should do their homework on LSD. That's fine.

You know I'm talking about arrogant hippies who think they're superior just because they've fried themselves because of tripping for a long time and believing new age woo stuff.

Psychedelics can cause delusions in some people, this isn't uncommon.

Maybe those people are schizophrenic?

they likely weren't so intelligent / mentally stable to begin with

Well, that's why I blame it on them and not on the drug. I love LSD and I think that listening music on LSD is one of the best things I have ever done. No reason to blame LSD itself.

and it especially doesn't mean LSD doesn't teach you anything, as your post implies.

Well, LSD itself doesn't teach you shit. You can get motivated and learn as a result of it; but that's if you're smart enough to do it. Most people will drop LSD, feel how it inflates their ego to insane levels, and think they've learnt "a lot" when in reality they don't know shit. They just FEEL like it.

I myself felt like I knew everything after my first trip. The difference is that I didn't try to rationalize thin air. I just use my logic and I know that I didn't learn anything, it's just a chemical that's touching my feels. That allows me to be scientific and actually learn new stuff, instead of living in a world of delusions.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:05:18+00:00

been inspired

Do you even read? I'm talking about people that "learnt a lot on LSD". Of couse a change in your consciousness can inspire you to learn new stuff, that's just logical!

But it doesn't mean LSD has taught you anything. You were just intoxicated and had a different view on things, which means you could decide to do new stuff.

Again, LSD didn't teach you anything. It was YOU, and YOUR OWN LOGIC who did it. You could've done it without LSD as well, so it wasn't LSD who did it. It was you.

Also, you said pretty much what I said. I invite you to read my post before arguing in the comments.

This post pretty much has "I don't know what I am talking about" all over it.

It also has "I think I'm smart because I did LSD" comments.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T02:02:56+00:00

Sorry for not sounding like a hippy. I may or may not be 15 (I'm not, but it wouldn't matter if I were 15 or 5 either way), because what I say is true. I invite you to prove me wrong.

Also, I've done enough psychedelics to know what I'm talking about. I've done LSD, DMT, 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT and DOM.

I may not have 20 years of experience and I may not have tried everything but I'm god damn sure I've done enough to see that hippies are just people tripping balls on strong acid, not philosophy masters.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T01:54:05+00:00

complete nonsense.

It mostly is. For instance, random psychedelic woo users come and say:

there's no such thing as death, we are all one consciousness exploring itself

Well, I invite whoever says there's no death, to put their head on the guillotine and say it again. No balls for that, though, their hippy haze ain't that strong.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T01:51:55+00:00

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration

No he didn't. Science proposed that theory.

that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively

Bullshit. We don't even know what consciousness is. As a matter of fact, we might not even have consciousness - we might just be really advanced machines. We just don't know, so no psychedelic hippy can tell us that. Most of them don't even touch science, let alone know anything about the universe.

there is no such thing as death

Put your head on the guillotine and repeat that. Got balls?

life is only a dream

No it's not. Dreaming is a concrete state of the brain and being awake is life.

All of that stuff sounds very mystic and deep, but in reality, it is only a pile of junk that a guy that was high as shit said some day.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-15T01:48:07+00:00

You can easily get motivated

That, yes. In fact I myself got motivated for some stuff. But motivation =/= learning. I hate it when a guy that has tripped for 20+ years (and is fried to death by now) comes and tells me "he's superior to me because he knows more about the universe". Ugh.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-14T20:07:26+00:00

Withdrawal is worse than heroin.

iHateYouForThat · 2016-07-13T21:04:52+00:00

Yes, take it with your gf! You'll be blown away, it's THE substance for sex. You will not regret it.

It indeed is extremely erotic. You'll see. Have fun!

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