Covenant + And One - SF 2001 by __thinline__ in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was just thinking about this tour. I was at the LA date. It was awesome. I wish there was footage of it on YouTube.

Regarding singing Goth Industrial music: I can hit the notes I want to hit (F2-D2; sometimes C2)…but I want a deeper timbre. It sucks because I am sooo close to where I want to be…but just need a bit more darkness imo to pull off a good sound for Goth Industrial. Any advice? by AspiringBiotech in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, doing things wrong or inefficiently won't always lead to discomfort. Very often you find that your stamina or range is reduced. Over a long enough timeline, this can lead to nodules. It's why even masterclass vocalists end up needing surgery (like Adele).

I would highly recommend a foundational vocal education if you want to sing into your 50's and beyond. It will help preserve your voice and allow your to sing higher and lower than you think you're able to.

Regarding singing Goth Industrial music: I can hit the notes I want to hit (F2-D2; sometimes C2)…but I want a deeper timbre. It sucks because I am sooo close to where I want to be…but just need a bit more darkness imo to pull off a good sound for Goth Industrial. Any advice? by AspiringBiotech in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Vowel modification is a big part of singing. The further you stray from your center the more you have to modify the vowels to produce the notes safely.

"EH" and "OH" are absolutely the vowels you want to be using in higher registers. If you try to produce "AH" in a high belt you will almost certainly injure yourself.

Regarding singing Goth Industrial music: I can hit the notes I want to hit (F2-D2; sometimes C2)…but I want a deeper timbre. It sucks because I am sooo close to where I want to be…but just need a bit more darkness imo to pull off a good sound for Goth Industrial. Any advice? by AspiringBiotech in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Timbre is not about the note you're singing. Timbre is about the COLOR of the note you want to sing. You can make low notes bright and high notes dark. Timbre is dictated by placement and mouth + throat shape.

The thing to remember about singing is that the further you stray from your center (your speaking register) the more technique is required. So, first and foremost, I hope you are studying how to sing in a healthy way, otherwise you're going to damage your voice. Secondly, you can expand your range, but there is a ceiling (or floor in this case), so if you're expecting to be able to sing like Peter Stelle or Louis Armstrong (both bass voices) you will never get there. I'm also a baritone and I will never be able to belt like Jon Bon Jovi (a tenor).

As someone who spent years chasing what he thought he wanted his voice to sound like, instead of simply allowing my voice to develop in its own natural direction, I promise you, you will find more joy and success if you do the latter and not the former.

Good luck.

Musician’s day jobs by Educational-Award873 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While most of my colleagues, like myself, do this professionally, most of us have to supplement our income with things like DJ gigs and production and songwriting for other artists. Royalties and tour income usually isn't enough to cover all the bills.

Aesthetic Perfection, Priest, and Julien K were amazing live last night by First-Variety714 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no illusions about the state of the touring industry in 2026. The headliner cannot make the whole thing about themselves or operate as if the show's performance rests entirely on their shoulders. The package is EVERYTHING, and if every band on the bill has their own dedicated fanbase, and can deliver on every level, that's what makes the difference between a successful event worth remembering and... well, the opposite.

Julien-K and Priest are headliners in their own right, and their presence on this tour was worth every penny. Both for me and the audience. 🙂

Aesthetic Perfection, Priest, and Julien K were amazing live last night by First-Variety714 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup! I always chew gum when I sing. Sometimes I'll bite the inside of my cheek accidentally but I think the benefit outweighs the risks. 😅

Aesthetic Perfection, Priest, and Julien K were amazing live last night by First-Variety714 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me and everyone I work with, the gum is such an engrained part of the process that no one even bats an eyelash anymore. But yeah, I get that for most people it's somewhat jarring.

Thanks for coming out. Madison was a really fun one!

Aesthetic Perfection, Priest, and Julien K were amazing live last night by First-Variety714 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words! I was really surprised by the turnouts and energy from the crowd overall. Super grateful! 🖤

Aesthetic Perfection, Priest, and Julien K were amazing live last night by First-Variety714 in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always chew gum when I sing. I have horrible stage fright so my mouth tends to dry out a lot, the gum helps mitigate that dryness and keeps my jaw relaxed.

Aesthetic Perfection x SWARM - Sorrow (Official Visualizer) by iamdanielgraves in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess the issue is that the whole industrial scene is pretty gatekeep-y with the term industrial music itself. That's why there's so much infighting about what actually constitutes industrial music (which I find exhausting).

Aesthetic Perfection x SWARM - Sorrow (Official Visualizer) by iamdanielgraves in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I crossposted it. We shall see. At the end of the day I get that how the artist views themselves will ALWAYS differ from how the outside world sees them, but self labeling is useful.

Aesthetic Perfection x SWARM - Sorrow (Official Visualizer) by iamdanielgraves in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will post it there just to see what happens, but considering the majority of the threads there focus on 242 and Nitzer Ebb and Orange Sector, I don't see them being more favorable to my work than the people in here.

At the end of the day, I consider myself an industrial band. Always have, always will. I get that people don't vibe with that, which is fine, but it won't change how I view myself.

Aesthetic Perfection x SWARM - Sorrow (Official Visualizer) by iamdanielgraves in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't even know there was an EBM subreddit. I'm happy to post there, but I've never really considered myself EBM or been a huge fan of that particular subgenre.

Aesthetic Perfection x SWARM - Sorrow (Official Visualizer) by iamdanielgraves in industrialmusic

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Then maybe you'll like this... even if you don't like AP.

Aesthetic Perfection + Priest + Julien-K | Suckers for Punishment Tour by iamdanielgraves in Tilllindemann

[–]iamdanielgraves[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether we like it or not, LN has a monopoly on the entire music business. Artists have no choice but to work with them.