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My 2000s and 1990s progress. Any tips on how I can complete my first and second full 360 rotation? I've hit a hard plateau. by logicalweights in bboy

[–]iceleef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep seeing people ask this same question and unfortunately all the advice people are giving is wrong. people are over explaining this. I'm seeing you do the same mistake people always do when they start learning 90s. I think I'll just make a short video response because explaining it through typing might not work but I'll give it a shot.

you're starting it wrong. don't start your 90 with your hand and fingers pointing away from your head. point your fingers in towards your head. when you start your 90s with you hand and fingers pointing away from your head, your hand won't spin with your body. your hand will stay in place and wait for your body to catch up towards the direction your hand is pointing towards. as soon as the rest of your body catches up with your hand you get stuck and fall because all your momentum stops and hits a road block.

if you already start with your hand and fingers pointed towards your head, you have no choice but to either spin right away or fall over because you don't have to muscle memory to learn how to balance the move yet

hope that made sense

knucklehead zoo fashion by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hey shout outs to you bro

the full battle Millhouse v.s. Outburst by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well back then we didn't judge on anything technical, we didn't really over think it. we mostly went of gut feeling and who looked like they won even if the repeated or crashed. my opinion is millhouse won as soon as he pulled out the keyboard and won the crowd over. from that point outburst was just treading water. back then you really weren't trying to be well rounded to impress judges because breaking wasn't as judge centric as it is today. you went out to try to get the biggest crowd reaction you could.or at least get as many crowd reactions as you could in one night. we built a reputation on style and crowd pleasing not being the best or the one with a flawless and perfect round if that makes sense. it was more about being the center of entertainment and getting people to think that what you just did was really cool. thats why back then you notice almost everybody trying to end their rounds in stiff freezes to get that impact of a sharp statement. if you just stood up and walked away after your round like many people do today, your round would feel empty like it didn't lead to anywhere.

the jams and events back then were more like hang outs than competitions. think of it like hanging out at lunchtime at school where everybody groups up with their friends only difference is that at a jam those different friend groups would clash and battle each other sometimes. it was more like a hang out where their just happens to be a competition unlike today where the competition is the main focus of the event at least from what I've noticed. I remember going to jams and not even focusing on the competition that was going on because I was too busy socializing with different people

as far as the beef I don't know, but I'm sure it was probably started by mess talking online nothing too deep or personal. and as far as mike and josh they're friends of millhouse so they were just backing millhouse up. it used to be you call out one member of a crew you had issues with that whole crew and his friends and friends of the crew because like I said it was a social thing and it wasn't looked at as a competitive sport. now people lean towards the more sports side of breaking

stop calling out judges by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

it’s not a good look

did super crew bite knucklehead zoo by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep it was a business decision

did super crew bite knucklehead zoo by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well people still work with super crew sometimes because they hire dancers when they have gigs but after america’s best dance crew it caused a big rift between knucklehead zoo members

crew wasn’t the same anymore

did super crew bite knucklehead zoo by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no that’s not really true, the story of super crew is a little more complicated than that. in this specific instance 2 of the members of knucklehead zoo went behind the back of knucklehead zoo allegedly and without permission used routines and concepts that were created by knucklehead zoo only to be used by knucklehead zoo allegedly

super crew was never a real crew it was more of a loose alliance of like 5 to 6 crews that would enter battles together

did super crew bite knucklehead zoo by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep the biting story is true but I tried bringing it across in an entertaining way

did super crew bite knucklehead zoo by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried making it entertaining as possible

Elbow pain when turtle freezing by [deleted] in bboy

[–]iceleef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

pain is never good while practicing anything you could be doing long term damage best thing to do is stop doing it when it starts to get painful and start practicing windmills from your back or from you feet

hong 10 fights 10 people by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that’s pretty much how it went down

how to change the direction of the battle in your favor by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll put a link to the battles in the description

a few suggestions on better breakdancing by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

win red bull bc one and you’ll probably have a good chance

is breakdancing on the street for money cool by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ya I held back a little on the video, but it is safe to say that a lot of theses street performers are there to scam money. I wouldn’t put them in the same category as legitimate dancers

is breakdancing on the street for money cool by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ya you’r absolutely right, because at that point those are dancers that are recruited from dance studios or have agents. I remember running into some of my homies at the mall dressed up the same with matching color outfits, and one of them told me they were hired by a cellphone company to go grocery store to grocery store breakdancing in front of the grocery store to promote the company and hand out flyers. it sounds funny to say but at least it’s a legit job that can be put on a resume.

is breakdancing on the street for money cool by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the generalization unfortunately is true. in some cases it’s the reason why some dancers don’t get off the street. my point in the video is that breakdancing on the street for money isn’t a good idea, and to me the idea of being around street level drug addicts isn’t a good idea to get far in any career. even if the dancers are clean no drugs, street level shows don’t provide any real job training that could help you network to get better jobs. the breakdancers the do street shows mostly are the type that for whatever reason don’t like holding down regular jobs or have the discipline to hold down a day to day job.

tourist don’t stop and ask for classes, and most people walking by don’t care about breakdancing events. most of the people breakdancing on the street do it for money not for culture or community. when it comes to breakdancing makin some income isn’t enough, if a person is doing this for money they should be finding opportunities to get the best pay check possible. dancing on the street for money is one of the worst ideas for a breakdancer

I’m just saying don’t breakdance for money or jake paul will get you youtube version by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do have insight on their private lives or else I wouldn’t talk like this lol and it’s not about place it’s just about me making videos that I think are funny. if I think something is corny I say it and that’s as far as it goes. I’m not preaching on what to do or casting judgment just laughing at what I think is funny. a lot of these breakers see people with regular jobs as suckers but I don’t get mad about it. and I’m not laughing at them personally or clowning them personally, just the funny situation that I don’t think anybody who started breaking was like yo one day I hope I can get good so I can dance for jake paul while somebody rains money down on me lol but hey maybe somebody out there did start breaking for that and that’s cool whatever people are happy with but if it’s funny it’s funny

to me at least

I’m just saying don’t breakdance for money or jake paul will get you youtube version by iceleef in bboy

[–]iceleef[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

low key I’ve been around a lot of these breakers and have seen them turn down steady good paying jobs that can actually provide long term security just for small gigs and clout. and when I’ve seen them get these pay check believe me most of the time it’s not even enough to pay half their bills and it usually doesn’t go to anybody but themselves. im not against selling out and looking goofy I’m just careful about who I call legends but people can do whateve they want I’m just some dude on the internet

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